Is ± Present When Taking 4th Root?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of taking the fourth root of numbers, particularly whether the result includes both positive and negative values, similar to square roots. Participants explore examples such as the fourth root of 16 and the implications of taking roots of negative numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants question whether the ± sign applies when taking the fourth root, drawing parallels to square roots. Some discuss the principal root versus other possible roots, particularly for negative numbers.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the fourth root, with some participants noting that there are multiple roots for negative numbers and discussing the concept of principal roots. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of roots and the number of solutions for polynomial equations.

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Participants mention constraints such as the distinction between principal roots and other roots, as well as the context of polynomial equations when discussing roots of negative numbers.

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Homework Statement



If you take a 4th root of something, is that answer also plus or minus, just like if you are taking a square root?

Ex. ##4^{\frac 1 2} = ±2##

So following that logic, would that mean that:

##16^{\frac 1 4} = ±2## as well?

Meaning, is the ± still present if you take a 4th root?

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RyanTAsher said:

Homework Statement



If you take a 4th root of something, is that answer also plus or minus, just like if you are taking a square root?

Ex. ##4^{\frac 1 2} = ±2##
While 2 and -2 are square roots of 4, the expression ##\sqrt{4}## denotes the principal (i.e., positive) root, or +2. So ##4^{1/2}## would also be +2.
RyanTAsher said:
So following that logic, would that mean that:

##16^{\frac 1 4} = ±2## as well?
The principal fourth root of 16 is 2. There are three other fourth roots: -2, 2i, and -2i.
RyanTAsher said:
Meaning, is the ± still present if you take a 4th root?

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Okay, so I took the 4th root of -1 using a CAS, and ended up getting the result of

## r = \frac {\sqrt(2)} {2} +\frac {\sqrt(2)} {2}i ##

So is there any other answer besides this, or is this the single and only ?
 
RyanTAsher said:
Okay, so I took the 4th root of -1 using a CAS, and ended up getting the result of

## r = \frac {\sqrt(2)} {2} +\frac {\sqrt(2)} {2}i ##

So is there any other answer besides this, or is this the single and only ?
There are four fourth roots, spaced 90° apart (##\pi/2## radians). I don't know if there is a principal fourth root of a negative number, similar to what I said before about the fourth root of 16.

Usually the question is asked as, "Find all of the fourth roots of <N>."
 
RyanTAsher said:
Okay, so I took the 4th root of -1 using a CAS, and ended up getting the result of

## r = \frac {\sqrt(2)} {2} +\frac {\sqrt(2)} {2}i ##

So is there any other answer besides this, or is this the single and only ?
The fourth roots of -1 satisfy the equation ##r^4 = -1## or ##r^4 + 1 = 0##. Since you have a fourth-degree polynomial, there are going to be four solutions.

To find the square roots of 4, you want to solve the equation ##z^2 = 4##. If you express both sides in polar form, with ##z = re^{i\theta}##, you have
$$r^2 e^{i2\theta} = 4e^{i0},$$ which has solution ##r=2## and ##\theta=0##, which corresponds to ##z=2##. But you could also write the righthand side as ##4e^{i2\pi}##, which gives you a second solution, ##r=2## and ##\theta=\pi##, which corresponds to ##z=-2##.

You can use the same method to find all the fourth roots.
 
Mark44 said:
While 2 and -2 are square roots of 4, the expression ##\sqrt{4}## denotes the principal (i.e., positive) root, or +2. So ##4^{1/2}## would also be +2.
The principal fourth root of 16 is 2. There are three other fourth roots: -2, 2i, and -2i.

vela said:
The fourth roots of -1 satisfy the equation ##r^4 = -1## or ##r^4 + 1 = 0##. Since you have a fourth-degree polynomial, there are going to be four solutions.

To find the square roots of 4, you want to solve the equation ##z^2 = 4##. If you express both sides in polar form, with ##z = re^{i\theta}##, you have
$$r^2 e^{i2\theta} = 4e^{i0},$$ which has solution ##r=2## and ##\theta=0##, which corresponds to ##z=2##. But you could also write the righthand side as ##4e^{i2\pi}##, which gives you a second solution, ##r=2## and ##\theta=\pi##, which corresponds to ##z=-2##.

You can use the same method to find all the fourth roots.

Okay, thank you both, I understand how to do this now and have applied it to my problem, but my problem is differential calculus based, so I will post that in the calculus and above section.
 

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