Is probability branch of maths or stats?

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The discussion centers on the classification of probability as either a branch of mathematics or statistics, exploring the relationship between the two fields. Participants examine the contexts in which probability and statistics are taught and applied, considering both theoretical and practical perspectives.

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  • Some participants propose that probability is a branch of mathematics, while others argue it is often used as a tool within statistics.
  • It is noted that statistics can refer to both a branch of science and a branch of mathematics, depending on the context.
  • A participant draws an analogy between the relationship of probability and statistics to that of science and engineering.
  • One participant explains that statistics involves functions of samples from distributions, while probability can be formulated using measure theory and analysis.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the practical applications of probability rather than solely focusing on theoretical proofs.

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Participants express differing views on whether probability is a subset of statistics or a distinct branch of mathematics, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants mention various approaches to teaching probability and statistics, including the use of measure theory and practical applications, but do not reach a consensus on the definitions or classifications.

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Hi all,

I was wondering if someone can tell me that is probability branch of mathematics or statistics. Wikipedia says that Probability Theory is branch of mathematics but in University Statistics department offers probability modules.
Also, is Statistics branch of mathematics, after all it deals with numbers. Am I wrong?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Statistics is usually considered to be its own branch of science. However, statistics also refers to a branch of mathematics. It depends on the context you hear it in. If you hear it in your math class, they're probably referring to the mathematical methods of statistics.

Probability is another branch of mathematics which is often used as a tool in statistics. However, probability can be calculated without the use of the mathematical methods of statistics, and thus is not simply a subset of statistics.
 
The relationship between probability and statistics is somewhat analogous to the relationship between science and engineering.
 
Hey woundedtiger4.

Statistics concerns itself with the study of a function of a sample. A sample is considered a set of observations from some distribution (usually independent but not always) and the statistics is some function of that sample. For example the sample mean is just the average of all values of the sample.

Probability itself can be formulated in the language of measure theory and analysis can be used to deal with the definitions of convergence in similar ways to that of a normal function mappings.

All this measure theory and analysis is applied to what is called stochastic calculus to prove a lot the results for stochastic processes.

But although you can formulate probability spaces in the above way (using what is called a sigma-algebra), it's usually done in a way that is a lot more intuitive.

Usually we focus more on the context of how it applies in the real world which means not worrying about all the theoretical proofs using measure theory and analysis but instead looking at things in a practical manner.

The really basic foundations of probability are the Kolmogorov axioms which are based on set theory descriptions of probability.

You should check whether the math offering covers the sigma algebra approach and whether the non-math offering covers the standard topics like the axioms, definitions of PDF's, CDF's, MGF's, variance/covariance and things like the transformation theorems as well as exercises and assignments that focus on real problems dealing with tangible uncertainties as opposed to those involving proofs of analysis and measure theory.
 
thanks @ all for excellent replies
 

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