Is sequence 2^n/n increasing or decreasing?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the sequence defined by \( S_n = \frac{2^n}{n!} \). Participants explore whether this sequence is increasing, decreasing, or nonincreasing, using various mathematical approaches including discrete differencing and ratio analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using discrete differencing to analyze the sequence rather than continuous differentiation.
  • Another participant defines the sequence in terms of its components, \( a_n = 2^n \) and \( b_n = n! \), and proposes examining the differences of these components.
  • Some participants argue that since \( n! \) grows much faster than \( 2^n \), the limit of the sequence must approach 0, implying that the sequence is decreasing.
  • There is a discussion about the ratio of the differences and how to simplify it, with hints provided regarding factorials.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about whether the conclusion that the sequence is decreasing is premature, given the analysis of discrete differences.
  • One participant suggests writing out elements of the sequence to identify patterns, emphasizing that logical conclusions can be expressed in plain English.
  • Another participant notes that the sequence is nonincreasing for \( n = 1 \) and only decreasing for \( n \ge 2 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the behavior of the sequence. While some argue it is decreasing based on the growth rates of the numerator and denominator, others question whether this conclusion is definitive or premature.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of their findings, particularly regarding the conditions under which the sequence is considered decreasing or nonincreasing.

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I'm starting sequences and series, and I have to prove that the following is increasing, nonincreasing, decreasing, or nondecreasing.

$$S_n = \frac{2^n}{n!}$$

I've tried $S_{n+1}-S_n >$ or $<$ than $0$, $\frac{S_{n+1}}{S_n}$, and I don't think I've learned differentiating factorials so I won't even attempt that. Any hints?
 
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Rather than continuous differentiation, I would look at discrete differencing. :D
 
What do you mean by discrete differencing? :eek:
 
Suppose we define:

$$S_n\equiv\frac{a_n}{b_n}$$

where:

$$a_n=2^n,\,b_n=n!$$

And so we could observe that $n$ is not continuous, but is presumably the natural numbers, so look at:

$$\frac{\Delta a_n}{\Delta n}=\frac{a_{n+1}-a_{n}}{n+1-n}=2^{n+1}-2^n$$

and

$$\frac{\Delta b_n}{\Delta n}=\frac{b_{n+1}-b_{n}}{n+1-n}=(n+1)!-n!$$

What is the ratio of the differences?
 
Rido12 said:
What do you mean by discrete differencing? :eek:

Notice that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 2^n = 2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2 \cdot \dots \cdot 2 \end{align*}$ (n times), while $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n! = n \cdot (n - 1) \cdot (n - 2) \cdot \dots \cdot 3 \cdot 2 \cdot 1 \end{align*}$.

Since it is clear that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n! >> 2^n \end{align*}$, that means that the bottom grows much faster than the top.

Thus the limit of the sequence must be 0 and so the sequence must be decreasing.
 
The ratio of the differences is
$$\frac{2^{n+1}-2^n}{(n+1)!-n!}$$
but I'm not sure how I can simplify the denominator:
$$\frac{2^n}{(n+1)!-n!}$$
 
Rido12 said:
The ratio of the differences is
$$\frac{2^{n+1}-2^n}{(n+1)!-n!}$$
but I'm not sure how I can simplify the denominator:
$$\frac{2^n}{(n+1)!-n!}$$

Hint:

$$(n+1)!=(n+1)n!$$
 
Prove It said:
Notice that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 2^n = 2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2 \cdot \dots \cdot 2 \end{align*}$ (n times), while $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n! = n \cdot (n - 1) \cdot (n - 2) \cdot \dots \cdot 3 \cdot 2 \cdot 1 \end{align*}$.

Since it is clear that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n! >> 2^n \end{align*}$, that means that the bottom grows much faster than the top.

Thus the limit of the sequence must be 0 and so the sequence must be decreasing.

I thought about that too, but I thought there was a more mathematical way of presenting it.@Mark,

$$\frac{2^n}{n!(n)}$$

Are we suppose to conclude now that for discrete differences, the denominator increases much faster than the numerator, meaning that sequence must be decreasing? Or is that statement premature?
 
Rido12 said:
I thought about that too, but I thought there was a more mathematical way of presenting it.@Mark,

$$\frac{2^n}{n!(n)}$$

Are we suppose to conclude now that for discrete differences, the denominator increases much faster than the numerator, meaning that sequence must be decreasing? Or is that statement premature?

To use English to explain logical conclusions IS mathematical!
 
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My suggestion would be to write out elements of the sequence until a pattern becomes clear. About 5 or 6 of them should do. Then you should also be able to say why (plain English will do).
 
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Rido12 said:
I thought about that too, but I thought there was a more mathematical way of presenting it.@Mark,

$$\frac{2^n}{n!(n)}$$

Are we suppose to conclude now that for discrete differences, the denominator increases much faster than the numerator, meaning that sequence must be decreasing? Or is that statement premature?

Prove It's suggestion is a good way to look at it. Simple and neat.

Perhaps a better approach than the one I initially suggested would be to look at:

$$\frac{\Delta S_n }{\Delta n}$$
 
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ILY, I thought that would work too, but believed there must have been a better, less mundane way of doing it.

Also, for completeness, I say that the sequence is nonincreasing because $S_1 = S_2 = 2$ and it is decreasing only when $n \ge 2$
 
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