Is sin(x+y) Analytic in ℝ with y Fixed?

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The discussion revolves around the analyticity of the function f(x) = sin(x+y) where y is fixed in ℝ. Participants are exploring whether this function can be represented as a power series in the context of real analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of analyticity and the implications of expanding sin(x+y) using known properties of sine and cosine functions. There are attempts to derive Taylor series expansions and to understand the conditions under which f(x+c) remains analytic.

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There is an ongoing exploration of various approaches to establish the analyticity of f(x). Some participants have provided insights into the nature of power series and the conditions for convergence, while others are questioning the assumptions and definitions being used.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the specific definition of 'analytic' being used, and there are discussions about the implications of fixed parameters in the context of the problem. Additionally, there are references to the need for clarity on the power series expansion and its convergence properties.

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Homework Statement


or y fixed in ℝ, show f(x)=sin(x+y) is analytic in ℝ.

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Clearly f(0 + x) = \sin(x+y) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n y^n by the analyticity of \sin x. Now how should I proceed?
 
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Can someone provide some guidance?
 
Shoelace Thm. said:
Can someone provide some guidance?

I don't know what you are looking for as a proof. In general if f(x) is analytic then f(x+c) is analytic for c a constant. Tell me why. If you don't know try expanding sin(x+y) using trig and the fact that sin(x) is analytic and cos(x) is also analytic.
 
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Ok here is why: using the same notation as above, f is analytic in a neighborhood of 0. Now f(x) = \sin(x+y) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (-1)^n\frac{(x+y)^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!} by the definition of sin(x) as a power series, which converges on R because the domain of sin(x+y) is R. Thus because f can be represented as a formal power series about 0, and that formal power series converges on all of R, then f is analytic in R (this is a theorem).

Will this do?
 
Can you check this Dick?
 
Shoelace Thm. said:
Can you check this Dick?

Can you say what your exact definition of 'analytic' is? What you have is a not a power series expansion in x.
 
Yes what I wrote won't suffice for that very reason. Alternatively, computing the nth degree Taylor polynomial for f about 0, the coefficients are all bounded by 1 and so the remainder term goes to 0 as n goes to infinity. Thus f is analytic in a neighborhood of 0. Because its Taylor series converges in R (\frac{1}{\limsup_{n \to \infty} \frac{c}{n!}} = \infty, |c| \le 1 ), f is then analytic in R.

Does this work?
 
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Shoelace Thm. said:
Yes what I wrote won't suffice for that very reason. Alternatively, computing the nth degree Taylor polynomial for f about 0, the coefficients are all bounded by 1 and so the remainder term goes to 0 as n goes to infinity. Thus f is analytic in a neighborhood of 0. Because its Taylor series converges in R (\frac{1}{\limsup_{n \to \infty} \frac{c}{n!}} = \infty, |c| \le 1 ), f is then analytic in R.

Does this work?

sin(x+y) is not bounded by 1 when (x+y) is a complex variable, if that's what you are thinking in your argument. Expanding in powers of (x+y) is a power series expansion around x=(-y). To get it's radius of convergence why don't you just try something simple, like a ratio test?
 
No; y is fixed in R. By analytic, I mean 'can be represented locally as a power series.'

The nth degree polynomial for f about 0 is:

\sum_{k=0}^{n} \frac{f^{(k)}(0)}{k!} x^k = \sin y + \cos y \cdot x - \frac{ \sin y }{2} x^2 + \cdots

Looking at the remainder term,

R_n(x) = \frac{ f^{(n+1)}(\theta) }{(n+1)!} x^{n+1} \le \frac{1}{(n+1)!} x^{n+1} \to 0 as n \to \infty, 0 < \theta < x

Thus in a neighborhood of 0, f is given by its taylor series about 0 and so f is analytic in neighborhood of 0. This taylor series converges in R, and so f is analytic in R.
 
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Shoelace Thm. said:
No; y is fixed in R. By analytic, I mean 'can be represented locally as a power series.'

The nth degree polynomial for f about 0 is:

\sum_{k=0}^{n} \frac{f^{(k)}(0)}{k!} x^k = \sin y + \cos y \cdot x - \frac{ \sin y }{2} x^2 + \cdots

Looking at the remainder term,

R_n(x) = \frac{ f^{(n+1)}(\theta) }{(n+1)!} x^{n+1} \le \frac{1}{(n+1)!} x^{n+1} \to 0 as n \to \infty, 0 < \theta < x

Thus in a neighborhood of 0, f is given by its taylor series about 0 and so f is analytic in neighborhood of 0. This taylor series converges in R, and so f is analytic in R.

Ok. Yes, you are just talking about real analytic.
 
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How do I prove this generally though, like you we're saying in your first post?
 
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Why don't you expand sin(x+y) in terms of sinx, cosx, siny, cosy , both of which are analytic? Then you can show that the product of analytic functions is analytic; don't think should be hard; maybe a bit annoying, keeping track of a lot of things, but don't think too hard.

You can use the proof that e^z as e^(x+iy) is (complex) analytic, and e^(x+iy)=(e^x)(e^iy)

to aid in your argument.
 
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I'm looking for something more general, i.e. if f(x) is analytic, then f(x+c) is analytic.
 
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If I understood you well, the same idea would work. Expand , then you have Sin(x)Cos(c)+Cos(x)Sin(c)

Then you just have the scaled sum (by Cos(c), Sin(c) respectively) of two analytic functions, which is analytic.
 
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No I mean for a general function f (not necessarily the one I've specified).
 
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Ok here is an argument: Because f is analytic, f(c+x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n x^n. Then g(0+x) = f(c+x) = f(x+c) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n x^n, so g is analytic in a neighborhood of 0. Then g is analytic in (-R,R), R being the radius of convergence of the series.

Can someone confirm the validity of this argument?
 
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Well, if f is analytic in (-oo,oo) and x+c is in (-oo,oo) , then f is analytic in (-oo,oo) , i.e., x+c lies in the domain of analyticity of f.
 
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I don't quite understand what you've written; could you explain? Is what I've written correct?
 
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Yes, what you said in #4 is correct; sorry,I started reading at post #10-or-so. What I meant is something similar to what you said: f(x) is analytic for all x in R , by assumption. Then x+c is a number in R, so that f should be analytic at x+c . Imagine if the problem were different and you had g analytic in some (-a,a). Then
g would be analytic at x+c if -a<x+c<a .
 
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I meant what I wrote in #16.

Also, I think what I wrote in #4 is incorrect because of what Dick said, i.e. the power series i had written is not a power series in x.
 
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I don't see why the series has to be centered on any specific point; is that part of your conditions?

Also, I can't tell what your function g stands for.

Sorry, I will be gone for a while.

Edit:I'm back.
 
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i'm back for a while.
 

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