Is sound affected by gravity at all?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of gravity on sound propagation, specifically in the context of a sonar signal sent by a submarine. Participants are exploring whether gravity plays a role in the speed of sound in water, particularly in a scenario presented in an MCAT practice question.

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  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind the assumption that gravity might affect sound speed, questioning whether the compressibility of water differs from that of gases. Some express confusion about why gravity is not considered a factor in this context.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various perspectives being shared. Some participants are clarifying their understanding of sound propagation in different media, while others are questioning the relevance of gravity in this specific scenario. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring around the topic.

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Participants reference the nature of sound as a disturbance in a medium rather than an object affected by gravity. There are also mentions of habits formed from previous problem-solving experiences that may influence their thinking about the role of gravity.

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I'm doing some MCAT practice, and one question asks:

A submarine sends a sonar signal in a direction directly downward. It takes 2.3 seconds for the sound wave to travel from the submarine to the ocean bottom and back to the submarine. How high up from the ocean floor is the submarine? (The speed of sound in water is 1489 m/s).

The answer turned out to be about 1700 m, using simple speed x time to give 3400, and then dividing by 2. Why exactly is gravity not a factor in this problem?
 
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Heisenberg52 said:
I'm doing some MCAT practice, and one question asks:

A submarine sends a sonar signal in a direction directly downward. It takes 2.3 seconds for the sound wave to travel from the submarine to the ocean bottom and back to the submarine. How high up from the ocean floor is the submarine? (The speed of sound in water is 1489 m/s).

The answer turned out to be about 1700 m, using simple speed x time to give 3400, and then dividing by 2. Why exactly is gravity not a factor in this problem?

Why do you think gravity SHOULD be a factor? Do you think water is compressible the way a gas is?
 
I thought it would be a factor out of habit I guess. So if the medium is a liquid, is the force of gravity negligible?
 
Why would gravity be a factor in the speed of the sound wave? After all, sound is a disturbance which propagates through the medium, not an object which is being dropped from a height.

AFAIK, gravity doesn't affect the propagation of sound in gasses, either.
 
Ok I see. Thank you guys so much!
 
SteamKing said:
Why would gravity be a factor in the speed of the sound wave? After all, sound is a disturbance which propagates through the medium, not an object which is being dropped from a height.

AFAIK, gravity doesn't affect the propagation of sound in gasses, either.

I assumed that he was thinking somewhat along the lines of:

If the gravity of Earth were to increase dramatically then the density of the atmosphere at sea level would increase because of the compressibility of gas, and with a denser gas, the speed of sound would increase.

This of course doesn't work under water because water is not compressible in the way a gas is.
 
Heisenberg52 said:
I thought it would be a factor out of habit I guess.
We normally find problems involving objects.That's the habit I guess.Here sound is a propagation of water molecules,not an object.
 
This thread explains how sound is not directly affected by gravity but by the compression of the medium very well
 
Interesting that in the sea there is depth (around 750m) at which the speed of sound is at a minimum. This causes a wave guide effect that increases the distance that sound travels...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel
 

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