Is Space Merely a Manifestation of Matter and Energy?

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The discussion explores the nature of space in relation to matter and energy, questioning whether space exists independently or is merely a manifestation of matter and energy. Participants delve into concepts such as dark energy, the relationship between space and time, and the implications of matter and antimatter in the universe.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that space does not exist apart from matter and energy, suggesting that matter and energy are essentially space.
  • Questions arise about whether space is empty and matter is solid, prompting further exploration of the definitions of space and matter.
  • Dark energy is suggested by some as a potential form of space, with claims that the volume of space increases as dark energy increases.
  • There are inquiries about the nature of dark energy and its relationship to the volume of space, including whether the creation of matter results in a decrease in space volume.
  • Some participants assert that space is not a container for matter but rather that space and matter are intertwined with time, forming a concept of space-time.
  • One participant introduces a theory involving matter and antimatter planes, suggesting that gravity may be a property of space-time curvature rather than a force.
  • Speculation occurs regarding the visualization of matter and antimatter planes, with questions about what they would look like if they could be observed simultaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the nature of space, matter, and dark energy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing theories and interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of space, matter, and energy, and the discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the nature of dark energy and gravity.

  • #31
Metallicbeing said:
Yes, and the world's leading scientists once "believed" the world was flat. I know, new ways of thinking are always hard to swallow.

But it doesn't matter, it's not like I'm trying to write a TOE or anything. I'm just here to collect ideas for my sci-fi novel. As long as the readers think it's interesting enough, that's good enough for me.


I think it might be interesting enough for a scifi novel. Although I hear that few people have actually thought the world was flat since the greeks discovered that it was round. :)
 
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  • #32
Getting back to the original inquiry.
Perhaps space doesn't exist apart from matter and energy? I. e. matter and energy aren't in space, matter and energy are space? Maybe silly I know.
I believe this to be so. Do you have an explanation for how this could be so?
 
  • #33
mee said:
I think it might be interesting enough for a scifi novel. Although I hear that few people have actually thought the world was flat since the greeks discovered that it was round. :)

Ha ha, very funny. Don't make me get "anti_crank" after you. :devil:

:-p
 
  • #34
Metallicbeing said:
Yes, and the world's leading scientists once "believed" the world was flat. I know, new ways of thinking are always hard to swallow.

But it doesn't matter, it's not like I'm trying to write a TOE or anything. I'm just here to collect ideas for my sci-fi novel. As long as the readers think it's interesting enough, that's good enough for me.

Ou of correctness, the discovery that the world was not flat actually long pre-dates anyone who could be descibe as a scientist, the fact being discovered by the Greeks centuries before the birth of Christ.

The belief that the world was round is a fairly recent discovery was one that originated in the 19th century.
 
  • #35
UltraPi1 said:
Getting back to the original inquiry.

I believe this to be so. Do you have an explanation for how this could be so?


Sorry, just a vague idea that it might be so. :)
 
  • #36
jcsd said:
Ou of correctness, the discovery that the world was not flat actually long pre-dates anyone who could be descibe as a scientist, the fact being discovered by the Greeks centuries before the birth of Christ.

The belief that the world was round is a fairly recent discovery was one that originated in the 19th century.

Wow, you guys are just ready to pounce on anything, aren't you!? It was just an off the wall comment. No real thought was put into it... really. :rolleyes:
 
  • #37
mee said:
Sorry, just a vague idea that it might be so. :)

Well... That was pretty "safe", wasn't it? :-p
 
  • #38
mee said:
Sorry, just a vague idea that it might be so. :)
Well I'll put my two cents in.

Matter is the localization of the foci of energy packets, and space is the extension of those localized packets. The extension is the equivalent of a gravitational field. The mass of these packets is attributed to the self interaction of it's own extension (gravitational field). All matter is no more than the sum total of the geometric representation within the foci and extension of the energy packets, and an energy packet is no more than a representation of nothing at all.
 
  • #39
UltraPi1 said:
Well I'll put my two cents in.

Matter is the localization of the foci of energy packets, and space is the extension of those localized packets. The extension is the equivalent of a gravitational field. The mass of these packets is attributed to the self interaction of it's own extension (gravitational field). All matter is no more than the sum total of the geometric representation within the foci and extension of the energy packets, and an energy packet is no more than a representation of nothing at all.

I find it hard to believe that "energy packets" would be a representation of nothing at all.
 
  • #40
I find it hard to believe that "energy packets" would be a representation of nothing at all.
No one is the wiser if these geometric entities of nothing act in accordance with what we term physical laws. We have all been fooled into thinking that reality is physical rather than conceptual. I call this quality (The Reality Of Non-Existence). Their is no difference between matter and space other than the foci of a geometric representation of nothing verses the extension of it. You can find similarity between the two by simply being in a dark room. Both space and matter are black, or clear whichever you prefer. I prefer clear. I can safely say that if I were in a dark room at night and looked down, that I could see through the entire Earth. I wouldn't see the sun on the other side because the visible light from it isn't capable of penetrating through the Earth. Nevertheless - There it is ... The true nature of Existence.
 
  • #41
jcsd said:
Ou of correctness, the discovery that the world was not flat actually long pre-dates anyone who could be descibe as a scientist, the fact being discovered by the Greeks centuries before the birth of Christ.

I wonder what you consider a scientist that you would consider the Greeks who discovered that the Earth is round as not included. Why don't you consider the process by which they demonstrated that the Earth is round as being related to science? When do you consider that science began, and who was the first scientist, in your opinion?
 

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