Is still there a bird group classified as Palmipedes?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of birds known as Palmipedes, exploring whether this group still exists and its historical context in avian classification. Participants examine the concept of Palmipedes in relation to modern understanding of bird classification and genetics.

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  • One participant inquires about the current classification status of Palmipedes, expressing difficulty in finding information.
  • Another participant suggests that Palmipedes is a loose grouping of birds characterized by webbed feet, but does not imply a strict taxonomic relationship.
  • A third participant notes that Palmipedes was part of early bird classification efforts, indicating that categorizing all web-footed swimming birds together was once considered scientifically valid, but is now outdated due to advancements in genetic understanding.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to interpret information from Wordnik regarding Palmipedes, indicating a desire for more context on the sources used in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance and validity of the Palmipedes classification, with some acknowledging its historical significance while others question its current applicability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the status of Palmipedes in modern taxonomy.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical classification methods and the evolution of scientific understanding, highlighting the limitations of early taxonomic approaches based on physical characteristics alone.

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Hi, Is still there a bird group classified as Palmipedes? I can not find enough information in the internet for it and this is also the first entry in this science forum.

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From what I understand it is just a loose group of not necessarily related birds with interdigital webbing (or whatever it is called in English).
 
According to https://www.wordnik.com/words/palmipedes it was part of the one of the early attempts to classify birds. Putting "all birds with webbed feet that swim" into one category seemed like a good scientific idea in 1774 - but not now that we know about DNA.

Note: the Century Dictionary is (was?) a reputable source of information when it was first published, about 120 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary
 
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AlephZero said:
According to https://www.wordnik.com/words/palmipedes it was part of the one of the early attempts to classify birds. Putting "all birds with webbed feet that swim" into one category seemed like a good scientific idea in 1774 - but not now that we know about DNA.

Note: the Century Dictionary is (was?) a reputable source of information when it was first published, about 120 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary

Great help, and it is also good to know about the source of Wordnik which ,I think, is an alternative to Wikipedia but I want to know that how you can understand Wordnik could contain information about palmipedes or can you share your search paramaters please.

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