Is tan(36°) always equal to √(5-2√5) for regular pentagons?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the tangent of 36 degrees and the expression √(5-2√5) in the context of regular pentagons. Participants explore derivations and proofs related to this relationship, questioning whether the formula for tangent can be generalized for other values of n.

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  • One participant notes that tan(π/5) equals √(5-2√5) and questions the generality of the formula tan(π/n) = √(n-2√n).
  • Another participant suggests starting the derivation of tan(36°) using the angle x = 18° and the identity sin(2x) = cos(3x).
  • A participant provides a detailed derivation of tan(36°) using trigonometric identities, ultimately arriving at the expression √(5-2√5).
  • Another participant reiterates the use of the identity sin(2x) = cos(2x)cos(x) - sin(2x)sin(x) to derive a quadratic equation in sin(x).
  • There is a clarification request regarding the identity referenced in the derivation, leading to a brief exchange about the notation used.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether tan(π/n) = √(n-2√n) holds for all n, and there are multiple approaches and derivations presented without a definitive agreement on the generality of the formula.

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Some derivations rely on specific trigonometric identities and assumptions about the angles involved, which may not be universally applicable without further justification.

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I was reading about the area of regular pentagon and it said that $$tan\frac{\pi}{5}=\sqrt{5-2\sqrt{5}}$$. Where did it come from? Does $$tan\frac{\pi}{n}$$ always equal $$\sqrt{n-2\sqrt{n}}$$? If yes, what is the proof?
 
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If I were trying to derive the value of $\tan\left(36^{\circ}\right)$, I would likely begin with:

$x\equiv18^{\circ}$

$$\sin(2x)=\cos(3x)$$

See if you can make progress from there...
 
I have got some hints from My Math Forum yesterday:
greg1313 said:
There's a proof that $\cos(36^\circ)=\dfrac{1+\sqrt5}{4}$ here. Use the identities
$$\sin(x)=\sqrt{1-\cos^2(x)}$$
($x$ is in the first quadrant) and
$$\tan(x)=\dfrac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}$$
to finish up, if you will.
Then I finished it up:
$$\tan(x)=\dfrac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{1-cos^2x}}{\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{1-(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4})^2}}{\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{\frac{16}{16}-\frac{1+2\sqrt{5}+5}{16}}}{\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{\frac{16-1-2\sqrt{5}-5}{16}}}{\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{\frac{10-2\sqrt{5}}{16}}}{\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}}$$
$$=\frac{\frac{\sqrt{10-2\sqrt{5}}}{4}}{\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{10-2\sqrt{5}}}{1+\sqrt{5}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{{10-2\sqrt{5}}}{(1+\sqrt{5})^2}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{10-2\sqrt{5}}{1+2\sqrt{5}+5}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{{10-2\sqrt{5}}}{6+2\sqrt{5}}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{{10-2\sqrt{5}}}{6+2\sqrt{5}}\cdot\frac{6-2\sqrt{5}}{6-2\sqrt{5}}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{{60-12\sqrt{5}-20\sqrt{5}+4(5)}}{36-4(5)}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{{60-32\sqrt{5}+20}}{36-20}}$$
$$=\sqrt{\frac{{40-32\sqrt{5}}}{16}}$$
$$=\sqrt{5-2\sqrt{5}}$$
 
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MarkFL said:
If I were trying to derive the value of $\tan\left(36^{\circ}\right)$, I would likely begin with:

$x\equiv18^{\circ}$

$$\sin(2x)=\cos(3x)$$

See if you can make progress from there...

$$\sin(2x)=\cos(2x)\cos(x)-\sin(2x)\sin(x)\tag{1}$$

Using (1) we can get a quadratic in $\sin(x)$:

$$2\sin(x)=1-4\sin^2(x)$$

$$4\sin^2(x)+2\sin(x)-1=0$$

$$\sin(x)=\frac{-1+\sqrt{5}}{4}$$

Using a Pythagorean identity, we have:

$$\cos(x)=\sqrt{1-\sin^2(x)}=\frac{\sqrt{2(5+\sqrt{5})}}{4}$$

Hence:

$$\tan(x)=\sqrt{\frac{(\sqrt{5}-1)^2}{2(5+\sqrt{5})}}$$

And so:

$$\tan(2x)=\frac{2\sqrt{\dfrac{(\sqrt{5}-1)^2}{2(5+\sqrt{5})}}}{1-\dfrac{(\sqrt{5}-1)^2}{2(5+\sqrt{5})}}=\sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{5}(\sqrt{5}-1)^3}{8}}=\sqrt{\frac{8(5-2\sqrt{5})}{8}}=\sqrt{5-2\sqrt{5}}$$
 
MarkFL said:
$$\sin(2x)=\cos(2x)\cos(x)-\sin(2x)\sin(x)\tag{1}$$

Using (1) we can get a quadratic in $\sin(x)$:

$$2\sin(x)=1-4\sin^2(x)$$

Which (1) are you talking about?
 
$$\sin(2x)=\cos(2x)\cos(x)-\sin(2x)\sin(x)$$
$$2\sin(x)\cos(x)=(1-2\sin^2(x))\cos(x)-2\sin^2(x)\cos(x)$$
$$2\sin(x)=1-4\sin^2(x)$$
$$4\sin^2(x)+2\sin(x)-1=0$$
 
Monoxdifly said:
Which (1) are you talking about?

There is only 1 (1) that I posted:

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