Is terminal velocity constant?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of terminal velocity, particularly whether it is constant and the factors influencing it. Participants explore the relationship between gravitational pull, air resistance, and the conditions under which terminal velocity is reached, including considerations of altitude and medium resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that terminal velocity is influenced by the distance to the center of gravity and propose that this could affect the speed at which an object reaches terminal velocity.
  • Others explain that terminal velocity occurs when the force of gravity is balanced by the drag force from air resistance, which varies with the object's mass and aerodynamic properties.
  • It is noted that terminal velocity can vary with altitude due to changes in air density and gravitational pull.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of a retarding medium and a constant motive force in defining terminal velocity, arguing that without these, terminal velocity could be infinite.
  • A distinction is made between terminal velocity in free fall and the universal speed limit set by the speed of light, with some participants questioning whether the original poster is conflating these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of terminal velocity, particularly regarding its constancy and the factors that influence it. There is no consensus on whether terminal velocity can be reached or the implications of gravitational effects at different distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the factors involved in terminal velocity, including the assumptions about air density, frictional coefficients, and the conditions of free fall. Some claims remain unresolved, particularly regarding the relationship between gravitational pull and terminal velocity in varying contexts.

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Im fairly ignorant on the theory of terminal velocity.

It says that matter has a maximum speed in a certain direction.

Is it possible that another factor could be the distance to the centre of gravity, which ever way it may be attracted?

If a marble is dropped at 999m (just work with the figures please) takes about 200m to reach 'terminal velocity', could this certain speed be relative to its distance. Mabye it can't increase in speed for that distance.

Its true the closer to the centre of gravity the greater effect it has on an object.

couldnt once this object reach's its 'relative terminal velocity' it could then increase at a steady pace till the point where the centre of this gravity is completely still?

You could say that it is possible that it is implieng that the pull of gravity is its maximum but that is saying:

a) terminal velocity can never be reached

b) is only possible in a vacuum.

Plz help I am lost. thnx :confused:
 
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If you think of an object, say your marble, falling under the influence of gravity in the atmosphere there are two forces acting on it. First, there's the force of gravity. Second, there's the force exerted on the marble by all the air molecules it's running into. The faster the marble goes, the more molecules it hits and the larger the force is. When the magnitude of the force from the air equals the magnitude of the gravitational force the marble will no longer accelerate, that velocity is called the terminal velocity. It varies according to the mass and aerodynamic properties of the object you're considering.
 
It does also vary according to altitude because of the density of the air (drag) and pull of gravity both varying by altitude.
 
flammable_kitti said:
Im fairly ignorant on the theory of terminal velocity.

It says that matter has a maximum speed in a certain direction.
You are omitting 2 important ingredients: a retarding medium which resists the motion with a force that increases with speed, and that the motive force must be constant.
flammable_kitti said:
a) terminal velocity can never be reached
b) is only possible in a vacuum.
Plz help I am lost. thnx :confused:
a) is true, but hardly relevant. the deviation of velocity from terminal decreases exponentially in most cases, so quickly becomes negligible.
b) is not true. As I stated, without a retarding medium to provide resistance, terminal velocity is infinite.
 
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I wonder if the OP isn't confusing different notions, the idea that everyday objects in free fall have a terminal velocity (atmosphere being assummed) and the fact that there is an absolute speed limit in the universe, the speed of light (in a vacuum).

Terminal velocity as it applies to (say) a person jumping out of an airplane is all about the friction between the person and the air. There are a few presumptions that go into this scenario. The person is in free fall, meaning that there are no forces (like a rocket motor) pushing him down and no forces (like an updraft) pushing him up. The air density is considered constant, or in a more complicated model is a function of altitude. The frictional coefficient between the person and the air is constant, and the surface area of the person is constant (these last two factors are changed when the person opens his parachute, which presumably he has with him).

The gravitational force pulling the man down is essentially linear, so in the absence of friction his velocity increases at a constant rate. This is the definition of a constant accelleration. But friction with the air varies as the square of the velocity, so the faster he goes the harder it is for the pull of gravity to make him go faster. Once the person reaches the speed at which the frictional force equals the gravitational force, accelleration goes to zero and the person falls with a constant velocity. This is the terminal velocity.

For different objects with different coefficients of friction and surface areas (consider a feather and a bowling ball, or even a bowling ball covered with feathers, or a person with and without a parachute), each has it's own terminal velocity for a given force of gravity and a given atmosphere condition. The force of gravity doesn't change much over distance, unless one is very close to the center of mass of a very dense massive body. If that's the case, terminal velocity is probably the least of their worries.

The speed of light limit is something else entirely, and this is an inherent limit on any type of matter, and has nothing to do with friction. I don't know if that was confusing you or not, but your general use of the term "matter" made me suspect the possibility.
 

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