Is the asteroid belt horizontal or like a dome?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the spatial orientation of the asteroid belt and Kuiper belt in relation to the solar system, exploring whether these structures are horizontal or dome-shaped. Participants also inquire about the definitions and boundaries of the Kuiper belt and Oort cloud, as well as the nature of discoveries related to our galaxy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the asteroid belt is horizontal, similar to the plane of the planets, while others suggest that the Kuiper belt is more spherical in nature.
  • One participant notes that the Kuiper belt is a part of a broader category of Trans-Neptunian objects and is mostly planar with small inclinations.
  • Another participant mentions the Oort cloud as a spherical structure at the outer edge of the solar system, which may redefine the understanding of the solar system's limits.
  • There is a discussion about the difficulty in observing local galactic structures due to their lack of brightness compared to distant stars.
  • Some participants express confusion about the nature of the asteroid belt and Kuiper belt, seeking clarification on their shapes and orientations.
  • One participant highlights that many asteroids have inclined orbits, suggesting that the asteroid belt is not entirely flat.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the heliosphere as a boundary based on the sun's magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the spatial orientation of the asteroid belt and Kuiper belt, with no consensus reached regarding their shapes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these structures and their boundaries.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions for the edge of the solar system, including gravitational boundaries and magnetic field measurements, indicating a lack of uniformity in understanding these concepts.

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Hello.. I’m not a physicist. Few simple questions.
I see that most planets rotate around the sun in a horizontal circle, except for Pluto.

My question is about the asteroid belt and the Kuiper belt. Are they horizontal or like a dome? As in can an object go “above” and “below” them in a totally open space?

Also ... is it known and confirmed what is the Kuiper belt and what’s in it and what’s beyond it? What is the limit of the solar system exactly... (if there is an article about this please share)

Thank you...
 
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The planets were formed from the same swirling disk of gas and dust that formed the sun. The planets formed out of the remains of the gas and dust after the sun "ignited." The planets are all on a plane with the sun because of this. The asteroid belt is a failed planet (likely due to Jupiter's gravitation tidal forces) so that is also on the horizontal plane. The Kupier belt are likewise composed of the remaining bits of dust that did not form the sun and planets. As far as I am aware they are in a sphere at the outer edges of the solar system.

There are various definitions for the edge of the solar system but I believe the main one is that the edge of the solar system is the distance where objects are no longer gravitationally bound to our sun.

If we face our nearest star, at the end of our kupier belt, our nearest stars kupier belt would start. In other directions it's just empty space until you reach the next stars kupier belt.
 
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@MikeeMiracle the Kuiper Belt is just the innermost part of the more broader category of objects called Trans-Neptunian objects. This bit doesn't extend past roughly 60 AU, and is quite planar (most orbital inclinations are +/- 10 degrees).
The diffuse spherical part at the edge of the system would be the Oort cloud.

@Mshenko I find the Wikipedia articles on the subject of various types of TNOs, including Kuiper belt objects, to be very exhaustive and informative. If you haven't already, take a look there.
 
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Ahh yes I stand corrected, I got confused with the Oort Cloud which is sperical, apologies. So the Oort cloud is the true end of the solar system...or so we currently believe. We used to think it ended at the planets, then we discovered the kupier belt, then the Oort cloud. Who knows what we might discover in future and have to redefine our understanding once more :)
 
Ok but I don't understand ... how is it we already know/discovered so many things about the universe, but about our own galaxy we keep discovering new things only recently? Isn't it strange?

So just to be clear:

1. asteroid belt is horizontal
2. kuiper belt and oort cloud are a sphere?
 
Mshenko said:
Ok but I don't understand ... how is it we already know/discovered so many things about the universe, but about our own galaxy we keep discovering new things only recently? Isn't it strange?

So just to be clear:

1. asteroid belt is horizontal
2. kuiper belt and oort cloud are a sphere?

Many asteroids are inclined. from wikipedia:
300px-Main_belt_i_vs_a.png

The x-axis is distance from the sun. The inclination is the y axis. If it was spherical there would coloring all the way up to 90. There is definitely stuff above (and therefore also below) 20 or 25 degrees. Compared to Saturn's rings it is very thick.
 
If you measure the solar system based on the sun's magnetic fields, then the end is the heliosphere.

But more usefully, Space Facts has a nice graphic of the Oort Cloud with a scale. It is large, but a long way away by any means we have to travel there. Space Facts also has a nice graphic for the asteroid belt, though not with a scale, and it highlights that is a disc not a sphere.
 
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It's not strange to discover local stuff when the starts shine so brightly and local object do not shine at all so they are much harder to see. On a galactic level, we are in a galactic disk so we only have a side on view, if we could view our galaxy from above then discoveries in our own galaxy would be easier.
 

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