Is the Chain Rule Proof in this Document Flawed?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of a proof for the chain rule presented in a document. Participants analyze specific lines of the proof to identify flaws and assumptions, focusing on the definitions and interchanges of limits involved in the proof.

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  • One participant questions the validity of multiplying by g'(x)^-1 without assuming g'(x)≠0 for the relevant x.
  • Another participant points out potential illegal interchanges of limiting operations in the second line of the proof and asks for clarification on this issue.
  • A different participant suggests that the problem with the second line may stem from not establishing the existence of the limit in question.
  • Concerns are raised about the third line's application of the definition of the derivative, with one participant arguing that it mixes derivatives with respect to different variables.
  • One participant proposes a condition under which the limit in the third line could still be evaluated correctly, assuming continuity of the function involved.
  • Another participant provides a detailed argument regarding the definition of the derivative and continuity, asserting that the third line's claim could be valid under certain conditions.
  • A later reply acknowledges an error in their previous argument, indicating uncertainty in the correctness of their proof.
  • It is noted that the proof would only be correct if f(x) mapped into the neighborhood of a specific limit.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of specific lines in the proof, with no consensus reached on the overall correctness of the proof or the specific flaws identified.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions made about the continuity and differentiability of functions involved, as well as the conditions under which limits are evaluated.

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I stumbled upon this document that discusses the single variable chain rule:

http://math.rice.edu/~cjd/chainrule.pdf

At the bottom, there is an incorrect proof of the validity of the chain rule, but the author does not cite why the proof is wrong. I'm wondering if the problem is multiplying by g'(x)^-1 without assuming g'(x)~=0 for the relevant x.
 
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Your idea is okay, but you are missing the most serious flaws:

a) Consider the second line in the flawed proof.

What interchanges of limiting operation occurs, and why is that interchange illegal?


b) Consider line 3 as well. Can this be regarded as a correct application of the DEFINITION of the derivative?
 
I know that if f(x)->a and g(x)->b as x->y, then f(x)g(x)->ab as x->y. So is the problem with the second line that the existence of the limit we are interested in hasn't been established?
 
As for the third line, it's certainly not the correct application of the definition of the derivative. However, I don't think it's hard to show that if h(b)->c as b->f(u), then h(f(a))->c as a->u provided f is continuous. So I think that the limit in the third line might still be evaluated correctly.
 
It's the third line, because it mixes the definition of derivative in respect to the exterior variable (g) and the interior variable (x).

For a function f(g), the derivative f'(g) is

lim_{h->0} \frac{f(g+h)-f(g)}{h}

Which is generally not identical (even when treating g as a function of x) to:

lim_{h->0} \frac{f(g(x+h))-f(g(x))}{g(x+h)-g(x)}

The latter is what written in the third line as the derivative of f wrt g, yet it's not true by definition.
 
If
<br /> f:U\rightarrow\mathbb{R}<br /> where U is an open neighborhood of g(x), then the derivative at g(x) can also be defined by f^\prime(g(x))=\text{lim}_{b\rightarrow g(x)} \frac{f(b)-f(g(x))}{b-g(x)}. Now let h(b)=\frac{f(b)-f(g(x))}{b-g(x)}. By assumption, \text{lim}_{b\rightarrow g(x)} h(b) exists. Call it \alpha.

Now the third line is saying \text{lim}_{u\rightarrow x}h(g(u))=\alpha. I claim that this is true because g, being differentiable at x, is continuous at x:

proof: Choose a neighborhood U\subseteq\mathbb{R} of \alpha. There is a neighborhood V of g(x) such that h(V)\subseteq U. Now because g(x) is continuous at x and V is an open neighborhood of g(x), there is an open neighborhood W of x such that g(W)\subseteq V. Thus, h(g(W))\subseteq U.
 
I'm sorry, but the proof I gave in the preceding post is incorrect. Please disregard my previous post.
 
The proof would only be correct if f(x) mapped into the neighborhood of \alpha.
 

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