Is the Classical Limit of Quantum Field Theory a Valid Inquiry?

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The discussion revolves around the inquiry into the classical limit of quantum field theory (QFT) and whether it is meaningful to recover non-relativistic quantum mechanics (NRQM) and relativistic quantum mechanics (RQM) from QFT. Participants explore the implications of this inquiry within the context of theoretical frameworks and definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of inquiring about the classical limit of QFT and whether it is possible to formally recover NRQM and RQM from it.
  • One participant asserts that relativistic quantum mechanics is inherently part of relativistic quantum field theory, suggesting that there is no need to "recover" it.
  • Another participant mentions that recovering non-relativistic quantum mechanics from relativistic quantum mechanics can be achieved by transitioning from the Poincaré group to the Galilei group, particularly by taking the limit as the speed of light approaches infinity.
  • A participant points out that the classical limit can be derived using the path integral formalism, referencing a specific text that discusses the relationship between classical field equations and QFT.
  • There is a suggestion to clarify the use of the term "classical," with a recommendation to use it strictly in the context of "non-quantum" rather than "non-relativistic." This leads to some confusion regarding the original question posed.

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Participants express differing views on the meaningfulness of the inquiry into the classical limit of QFT, with no consensus reached on the validity of the question or the definitions being used. Some participants provide clarifications and corrections, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of "classical," "non-relativistic," and the assumptions underlying the recovery of NRQM and RQM from QFT. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and approaches without resolving these ambiguities.

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Hi,

Is it meaningful to inquire about the classical limit of a quantum field theory? Specifically, is it possible to formally recover NRQM and RQM from quantum field theory? I am told this is a wrong/ill-posed question, so I wanted to get a clearer idea about it...after all, in a QM course, the classical limit of Schrödinger's equation is shown as the Hamilton Jacobi equation. Are there any analogues in QFT?

Sorry if this is a wrong question to ask, but in that case, I would appreciate being corrected. :-)

Thanks in advance.
 
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maverick280857 said:
Hi,

Is it meaningful to inquire about the classical limit of a quantum field theory? Specifically, is it possible to formally recover NRQM and RQM from quantum field theory? I am told this is a wrong/ill-posed question, so I wanted to get a clearer idea about it...after all, in a QM course, the classical limit of Schrödinger's equation is shown as the Hamilton Jacobi equation. Are there any analogues in QFT?

Sorry if this is a wrong question to ask, but in that case, I would appreciate being corrected. :-)

Thanks in advance.
A relativistic quantum field theory is a specific theory of matter in the framework of relativistic quantum mechanics, so you don't need to "recover" relativistic QM. It's already a part of the theory.

The procedure to recover non-relativistic QM from relativistic QM is to replace the Poincaré group with the Galilei group. This can be done by taking the limit c→∞.

You should also be more careful about how you use the word "classical". I recommend that you only use it to mean "non-quantum" and never "non-relativistic". Now I'm confused about what you're asking.
 
The classical limit is easy to obtain in the path integral formalism (A. Zee, Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell, Princeton Univ Press, 2003), essentially it's just the Euler-Lagrange field equations for the Lagrangian density in your action (p 19). NRQM is just (0+1)-dimensional QFT (p 18). As Fredrik said, the action of QFT is already Lorentz invariant (p 17).
 
Thanks RUTA and Fredrik.

Fredrik said:
You should also be more careful about how you use the word "classical". I recommend that you only use it to mean "non-quantum" and never "non-relativistic". Now I'm confused about what you're asking.

I'm sorry, I meant "non-relativistic"; that is why I asked if NRQM can be shown to be a special case of QFT.
 

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