Is the column space of a matrix always a full span in practice?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the column space of a matrix, specifically whether it is always a full span in practice. Participants explore the theoretical definitions versus practical implications, focusing on concepts of spanning and linear independence.

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  • Some participants assert that the column space of a matrix is defined as the vector space spanned by its columns, suggesting this is universally true.
  • Others argue that while the column space is spanned by the columns, this does not imply that the columns form a basis due to potential linear dependence.
  • A specific example is provided where the columns of a matrix are not linearly independent, illustrating that they do not form a basis despite spanning the space.
  • It is noted that only invertible matrices have columns that form a basis for their column space.

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Participants generally agree that the column space is spanned by the columns of the matrix, but there is disagreement regarding whether this implies the columns form a basis, highlighting the distinction between spanning and basis formation.

Contextual Notes

Participants emphasize the importance of linear independence in defining a basis, which introduces conditions that are not universally met by all matrices.

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In my lecture notes, the lecturer describes the column space of matrix A
as the vector space spanned by the columns of A (which means that it is assumed that the columns of A are basis )

Is this true only in theory ?
 
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JamesGoh said:
In my lecture notes, the lecturer describes the column space of matrix A
as the vector space spanned by the columns of A (which means that it is assumed that the columns of A are basis )

Is this true only in theory ?

What do you mean "only true in theory"?? The column space is by definition spanned by the columns, so it's always true.
It doesn't mean that the columns are a basis though. They might not be linear independent. For example, the column space of

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 2\\ 1 & 2 \end{array}\right)[/tex]

is the span of (1,1) and (2,2). But this is not a basis of a columnspace since (1,1) and (2,2) are not linear independent.
 
yes that's what i meant by "true only in theory"

because the basis must be linearly independent
 
JamesGoh said:
yes that's what i meant by "true only in theory"

because the basis must be linearly independent

Well, just because they say that something spans the space, doesn't mean that this something is a basis. We can span the space without being a basis. And in general, the columns are not a basis. Only with invertible matrices do the columns form a basis.
 

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