Is the First Excited State of a Particle in a Rectangular Box Degenerate?

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The discussion revolves around a particle confined in a rectangular box with dimensions a, a, and 2a. Participants are exploring the energy of the first excited state and whether this state is degenerate, referencing relevant equations for energy calculation.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the definition of the first excited state in this context, questioning whether the quantum numbers should sum to a specific value or be set individually. There is also a discussion about the implications of the ground state energy and the conditions for valid quantum numbers.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's reasoning and clarifying concepts related to energy states and quantum numbers. Some have suggested specific quantum numbers for the ground and excited states, while others are seeking further explanation of these choices.

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Participants are considering the implications of boundary conditions on quantum numbers and the requirement that they must be positive integers. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions related to energy states in quantum mechanics.

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A particle is confined inside a rectangular box with sides of length a,a, and 2a. What is the energy of the first excited state? Is this state degenerate? If so, determine how many different wave fuctions have this energy.

The relevant equations are

E=Ex+Ey+Ez
=((hbar^2*pi^2)/2m) +(nx^2)/a^2+(ny^2)/b^2+(nz^2)/c^2

So far I have plugged in the a,a, and 2a into the equation and factored out the a. I am confused at what it means by first excited state. In a hydrogen atom n=2. In this case should each component =2 or should the energy add up to 2?
 
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Wouldn't that imply that there is zero energy in the ground state and is that possible?
 
Squid138 said:
Wouldn't that imply that there is zero energy in the ground state and is that possible?

Ooops sorry I meant (1,1,1) is the ground state and then (1,1,2), (1,2,1) and (2,1,1) will be the first excited state.
 
How do you know that? Is there something I am not seeing?
 
Squid138 said:
How do you know that? Is there something I am not seeing?

Just look at the energy, if nx,ny,nz are all >=1 then the smallest the energy can be is when they're all equal to 1, that's the ground state. The first excited state is the state of next lowest energy so just look at the expression for energy and decide what nx,ny,nz all have to be, the choice will of course depend on a,b,c.
 
Squid138 said:
How do you know that? Is there something I am not seeing?

[What Tangent means] From the boundary conditions you get that n is an integer. You reject negative integers because of they give you no new information. You reject zero because that makes your wave function zero everywhere, and hence makes it non-normalizable. Only things left are n>=1.
 

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