Is the geometry of the world the source of what we call "math"? I keep thinking about this lately, think about how we know this is different from that without having to consciouslly think about it. For instance this T is different from the background it sits on. The only way we could know that is if we already did the comparisons unconsciously so we know there is inequality (or inequalities) on a surface, that is, a distinction. Think about how we detect things, in order to think, or do anything, we first must be able to observe/detect something is there and get feedback from it in a feedback ring, binary logic, yes something is there or no, without binary logic we can't even have a single perception. It seems that the act of detection between real world surfaces (energy/light/etc) in and of itself, is where we get the concept of object, and hence the concept of 1, or "one distinct object", this is not that. It seems to me numbers are just shapes in the real world, but in our minds we call these distinct shapes "numbers". So there is an equivalence between geometric shapes and numbers in the real world, at least that seems to be the case to me.