Is the Given Solution for S(T,V) of an Ideal Gas Accurate?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the entropy function S(T,V) for an ideal gas, as presented in a textbook. Participants are evaluating the accuracy of the provided solution and exploring the implications of the ideal gas equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants question the correctness of the book's answer, suggesting it may contain a typo. Others compare the derived expression with alternative forms and differentiate to explore consistency with thermodynamic principles.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing evaluation of the proposed solution, with some participants expressing skepticism about its accuracy. Multiple interpretations of the entropy expression are being explored, and references to external resources have been shared for further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for errors in the textbook, particularly since the problem in question is the first one presented. There is mention of a different textbook being used in class, which may mitigate concerns about the accuracy of the material being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Given: Ideal gas equations:
Find S(T,V) for an ideal gas

Homework Equations


Ideal gas equations:
[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> {\rm{}}\\<br /> U = \frac{3}{2}N{k_B}{\left( {\frac{N}{V}} \right)^{2/3}}\exp \left[ {\frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} - {s_0}} \right]{\rm{ }}\\<br /> T = {\left( {\frac{{\partial U}}{{\partial S}}} \right)_{V,N}} = \frac{U}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}}\\<br /> \\<br /> {\rm{Find: }}\\<br /> {\rm{S = S}}\left( {T,V} \right){\rm{ }}\\<br /> \\\end{array}[/tex] for an ideal gas

The answer, according to the book (David Goodstein's new book "Thermal Physics: Energy and Entropy")
[tex]S = \frac{2}{3}N{k_B}\log T{\left( {\frac{V}{N}} \right)^{2/3}} + {s_0} = S\left( {T,V} \right)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure if the answer given in the book is correct and I'm missing something, or if it is an error.
[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> \\<br /> U = \frac{3}{2}N{k_B}{\left( {\frac{N}{V}} \right)^{2/3}}\exp \left[ {\frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} - {s_0}} \right]{\rm{ }}\\<br /> T = {\left( {\frac{{\partial U}}{{\partial S}}} \right)_{V,N}} = \frac{U}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} = \frac{{\frac{3}{2}N{k_B}{{\left( {\frac{N}{V}} \right)}^{2/3}}\exp \left[ {\frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} - {s_0}} \right]}}{{\frac{3}{2}N{k_B}}}\\<br /> = {\left( {\frac{N}{V}} \right)^{2/3}}\exp \left[ {\frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} - {s_0}} \right]\\<br /> \exp \left[ {\frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} - {s_0}} \right] = \frac{T}{{{{\left( {\frac{N}{V}} \right)}^{2/3}}}} = T{\left( {\frac{V}{N}} \right)^{2/3}}\\<br /> \frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} - {s_0} = \log \left[ {T{{\left( {\frac{V}{N}} \right)}^{2/3}}} \right]\\<br /> \frac{S}{{\left( {3/2} \right)N{k_B}}} = \log \left[ {T{{\left( {\frac{V}{N}} \right)}^{2/3}}} \right] + {s_0}\\<br /> S = \frac{3}{2}N{k_B}\log \left[ {T{{\left( {\frac{V}{N}} \right)}^{2/3}}} \right] + \frac{3}{2}N{k_B}{s_0}\\<br /> \\<br /> \\<br /> <br /> \end{array}[/tex]
 
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Book is a typo.

I like David Stroud's treatment https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~stroud/p846/idealgas.pdf (more https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~stroud/p846/p846notes3.pdf, etc.)
 
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Thanks BvU and robphy for your opinions and the links you both postsed. I agree that it is a typo. It is kind of funny that this is actually the first problem in the book and there is a typo. I hope that the rest of the book isn't plagued by errors... fortunately if that turns out to be the case, my class is using a different book, Classical Statistical Thermodynamics by Ashley Carter.
 
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Goodstein has a mail address; I'm sure he'll appreciate if you point out stuff he can improve for the next edition !
 

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