Is the influence of dark matter symmetric?

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The discussion centers on the symmetry of dark matter's influence within galaxies, exploring whether its gravitational effects are uniform or exhibit asymmetry based on its distribution and interaction properties. Participants examine the implications of dark matter's particle-like behavior and its role in the structure of galaxies, considering both theoretical and observational aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if dark matter's influence is restricted to the disc of a galaxy and is particle-like, this could imply a violation of symmetry, as it exhibits gravitational attraction differently than ordinary matter.
  • Another participant counters that the density of dark matter may vary within a galaxy, but this does not inherently make its gravitational influence asymmetrical, similar to how ordinary matter behaves.
  • A different viewpoint posits that the disc-like structure of galaxies is not necessarily explained by dark matter, raising the question of whether other factors could account for this asymmetry.
  • In response, a participant explains that the flattening of galaxies is primarily due to rotation, with some galaxies appearing more spherical due to slower rotation.
  • Another participant argues against the idea that dark matter's distribution is arbitrary, explaining that dark matter particles, due to their gravitational-only interactions, tend to spend more time in the halo than in the center of the galaxy, leading to a higher density in the halo.
  • This participant further contrasts the behavior of dark matter with that of normal matter, noting that normal matter is more likely to interact with other particles, which affects its distribution differently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the symmetry of dark matter's influence and its implications for galaxy structure. There is no consensus on whether dark matter's distribution leads to asymmetry or if other factors are responsible.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of dark matter's behavior and its interactions, highlighting the need for further exploration of its properties and effects on galaxy formation and structure.

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I am more familiar with quantum physics than cosmology so it occurred to me that I hadn't heard anyone talk about the question of symmetry with respect to dark matter. If its influence is restricted to the disc of a galaxy, but it is particle-like in structure than symmetry is violated isn't it? In other words, it exhibits gravitational attraction but not radially like ordinary matter.
 
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nortonian said:
If its influence is restricted to the disc of a galaxy

Its density is larger in the disc of a galaxy (at least, in some cases--in others I believe the dark matter "halo" around a galaxy is much more spherical than the galaxy itself is), but that doesn't make the gravity of any particular piece of dark matter asymmetrical, any more than the fact that the ordinary matter of a galaxy lies in a disc makes the gravity of ordinary matter asymmetrical.
 
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So apparently the disc-like structure of a typical galaxy is not explained by a property of dark matter and there is no reason, theoretically speaking, for the predominant presence of dark matter in one particular area as opposed to another any more than there is for ordinary matter. If the asymmetry of the galaxy, when it is not spherically shaped that is, is due to something other than dark matter can it be explained by something else?
 
nortonian said:
If the asymmetry of the galaxy, when it is not spherically shaped that is, is due to something other than dark matter can it be explained by something else?

Yes, rotation. Galaxies that are flattened are flattened because they are rotating. There are also galaxies that are much more spherical, because they are not rotating, or are doing so very slowly, comparatively speaking.
 
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... there is no reason, theoretically speaking, for the predominant presence of dark matter in one particular area as opposed to another any more than there is for ordinary matter.
Not true at all. What you are missing is the ramifications of the fact that dark matter does not interact with anything except gravitationally. What this means is that a given particle of dark matter will travel from the halo in through the center of the galaxy, drawn there by gravity, but since it doesn't interact with anything, it just keeps going, slowing down slowly until it gets to the other side of the halo. Its speed is greatest at the center of the galaxy and lowest at the outer edges of the halo. That means that it spends far more time in the halo than in towards the center. Take it that all the particles do that and you have a distribution that has higher density in the halo than in the center.

Normal matter, of course, would not act that way because even with the vast distances between object involved, it is at least somewhat likely to smack into something during the trips back and forth so you would not get (and in fact do not get) a normal matter halo around galaxies in the same way that you do for dark matter.
 

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