Is the Kronecker Delta Calculation in Peskin and Schroeder's Solution Correct?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the Kronecker Delta in Peskin and Schroeder's solution, specifically on page 194, where the equation ##\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}=2## is questioned. Participants clarify that with three colors, ##a,b \in \{0,1,2\}##, the correct evaluation of ##\delta^{ab}\delta^{ab}## should yield ##9/4=2.25## instead of ##2##. The confusion arises from the summation convention and the number of non-zero cases for the delta function, which should account for the eight generators of SU(3).

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The reference is the final project on pages 775-777 of Peskin's and Schroeder's textbook on QFT.
And the solution from here:
https://zzxianyu.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/peskin_problems.pdf

on page 194.
My problem is on page 194 of the solution, where he writes: ##\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}=2##.
I assume there are three colours and thus ##a,b \in \{ 0,1,2 \}##.
So I get: ##\delta^{ab}\delta^{ab} = \delta^{00}\delta^{11}+\delta^{11}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{22}+\delta^{22}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{00}+\delta^{00}\delta^{22}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{00}\delta^{00}=9##, so in the above equation in the solution shouldn't it be: ##9/4=2.25## and not ##2## as it's written in this solution?
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
##\delta^{ab}\delta^{ab} = \delta^{00}\delta^{11}+\dots ##

I can stop you there and ask what the specific values of ##a## and ##b## are in that first term?
 
PeroK said:
I can stop you there and ask what the specific values of ##a## and ##b## are in that first term?
Yes, you are quite right.
If there's a summation convention here then it should be ##2(\delta^{00}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22})##, the factor two is because we are counting twice.
But I still get 6 and not 8.
Where did I get it wrong?
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Yes, you are quite right.
If there's a summation convention here then it should be ##2(\delta^{00}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22})##, the factor two is because we are counting twice.
But I still get 6 and not 8.
Where did I get it wrong?
How are ##a## and ##b## defined? If they run from ##0## to##3## then there are only four cases where ##\delta_{ab} \ne 0##. The answer should be ##1##.
 
PeroK said:
How are ##a## and ##b## defined? If they run from ##0## to##3## then there are only four cases where ##\delta_{ab} \ne 0##. The answer should be ##1##.
I said from what I understand we have three colours, so ##a,b\in \{ 0,1,2\}## so the sum should be from 0 to 2.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I said from what I understand we have three colours, so ##a,b\in \{ 0,1,2\}## so the sum should be from 0 to 2.
I'm not sure how he gets ##8## from that.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I said from what I understand we have three colours, so ##a,b\in \{ 0,1,2\}## so the sum should be from 0 to 2.
The sum is over all the generators of SU(3). There are eight of them.
 
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