Math Challenge - July 2021

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This thread discusses various mathematical problems and challenges, primarily focused on group theory, Lie algebras, number theory, calculus, and differential equations. Participants engage in solving specific problems, providing proofs, and exploring strategies related to the posed questions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss a problem involving finite groups and homomorphisms, with a claim that such groups must be products of groups of prime order.
  • There is a discussion about the number of orbits in group actions, referencing a formula involving fixed points.
  • One participant asserts that a Lie algebra isomorphism exists for semisimple Lie algebras, questioning if this is a necessary condition.
  • A problem regarding the sum of divisors and Euler's phi-function is presented, with a proof provided by a participant.
  • Participants explore the properties of a manifold defined by specific equations in three-dimensional space.
  • A game-theoretic problem is raised about two players selecting coefficients in a cubic equation, with discussions about winning strategies and Zermelo's theorem.
  • Participants analyze the characteristic equation of a differential equation and provide solutions, with some corrections and clarifications on initial conditions and roots.
  • There are multiple attempts to clarify and correct earlier mathematical expressions and solutions, with participants expressing confusion and seeking further explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the winning strategies in the game-theoretic problem, with some asserting that one player has a winning strategy while others seek clarification on the implications of their claims. The discussions on the differential equation solutions also reveal some discrepancies in understanding and notation, indicating a lack of consensus on certain details.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical expressions and proofs are presented with varying degrees of clarity, leading to confusion among participants. There are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of winning strategies in the game problem and the correctness of initial conditions in the differential equations.

  • #91
Not anonymous said:
In the proof I gave, I did not assume that ##x, y, z## must obey the triangle inequality. The only assumptions made are what are given in the question. I do not understand why the derivative-based solution will not help find the maximum if ##c>z\geq x+y > y \geq x>0##, mentioned above as the more difficult case. Was there an add-on to the original question which is mentioned in some post? Or is a simpler, more intuitive solution expected?
There is no maximum if the boundary is excluded, under the assumption I didn't make a mistake.

##c>z\geq x+y > y \geq x>0## makes ##f(x,y)\leq 0## and ##x=y=z=c/3## isn't a solution anymore because ##z=c/3< 2c/3 =x+y.##
 
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  • #92
Q14 can be solved by dropping perpendiculars from B to s (let it meet at point L) , A to s (meet at point M) and C to s (meet at point N) . One can then see 3 sets of similar triangles. One set will give you AZ/BZ = AM/BL. Applying this 2 more times to the 2 other sets of similar triangles will give you the intended result.
 
  • #93
fresh_42 said:
There is no maximum if the boundary is excluded, under the assumption I didn't make a mistake.

##c>z\geq x+y > y \geq x>0## makes ##f(x,y)\leq 0## and ##x=y=z=c/3## isn't a solution anymore because ##z=c/3< 2c/3 =x+y.##

The original question did not mention ##c>z\geq x+y > y \geq x>0##, so the proof of my earlier attempted answer did not impose that constraint, though it did take into account ##x, y, z >0## and ##x + y+ z = c##. I assume that the updated question only adds the constraint ##c>z\geq x+y > y \geq x>0## to the other conditions mentioned in the original question, so the condition ##x + y+ z = c## still holds true. If that is correct, below is my updated attempted solution

$$
f(x,y,z) = 4x^2y^2 - (x^2+y^2-z^2)^2 = (2xy - (x^2+y^2-z^2))(2xy + (x^2+y^2-z^2))
$$
$$
= (z^2 - (x-y)^2)((x+y)^2-z^2) = (z^2-(x-y)^2)(x+y-z)(x+y+z)
$$
$$
= -c(z^2-(x-y)^2)(z-x-y)
$$ (Eq. 1)

Since ##z \geq x+y## and ##x+y+z = c## and ##x,y,z>0##, we must have ##0 < x,y \leq \dfrac{c}{2} \leq z < c##. Hence, in Eq. 1, ##(z - x - y) \geq 0## and ##(z^2-(x-y)^2) > 0##, the latter since ##-\dfrac{c}{2} < (x-y) < \dfrac{c}{2} \leq z##. The expression ##-c(z^2-(x-y)^2)(z-x-y)## can therefore never take a positive value under the given constraints.
∴ ##f(x,y,z) \leq 0## under the given conditions. The maximum achievable value is 0, and this is achieved when ##z = \dfrac{c}{2}##, since this makes ##x+y = c - z = \dfrac{c}{2}## and hence ##(z-x-y)## in the product expression of (Eq. 1) becomes zero.
 
  • #94
fresh_42 said:
11. Assume we have put a Cartesian coordinate system on France and got the following positions:
Paris ##(0, 0)##, Lyon ##(3, -8)## and Marseille ##(4, -12)##. Look up the definitions and calculate the distance between Lyon and Marseille according to
  • the Euclidean metric.
  • the maximum metric.
  • the French railway metric.
  • the Manhattan metric.
  • the discrete metric.

Euclidean metric (a.k.a. Euclidean distance) = ##\sqrt{(4-3)^2 + (-12 - (-8))^2} = \sqrt{1+16} \approx 4.123##
Maximum metric (a.k.a. Chebyshev distance) = ##\max{|4-3|, |-12 - (-8)|} = 4##
French railway metric = ##\|(3, -8)\| + \|(4, -12)\|## (since these 2 points are not collinear with ##(0, 0)##) = ##\sqrt{3^2 + (-8)^2} + \sqrt{4^2 + (-12)^2} \approx 21.193##
Manhattan metric = ##|(4-3)| + |-12 - (-8)| = 1+4 = 5##
Discrete metric = ##1##, since ##(3, -8) \neq (4, -12)##
 
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