Is the Latest Star Wars Movie Worth an Immediate Watch?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around opinions on the latest Star Wars movie, focusing on its merits, character development, and overall enjoyment compared to previous episodes. Participants share their experiences, preferences, and critiques, exploring themes of violence, dialogue quality, and character arcs.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enjoyment of the movie, highlighting its darker tone and action sequences, while others remain skeptical due to previous disappointments with earlier episodes.
  • One participant notes the absence of humor akin to Jar Jar Binks, suggesting this contributes to a more serious atmosphere.
  • Critiques include weak dialogue and poorly executed love scenes, with some participants specifically mentioning the character Anakin's portrayal as lacking depth.
  • There are differing opinions on whether prior knowledge of Episodes I and II is necessary to understand the plot of Episode III, with some asserting that it is essential for character context.
  • Concerns are raised about the focus on special effects overshadowing plot development in the Star Wars franchise.
  • Some participants express fatigue with the ongoing Star Wars saga and a preference for independent films, while others remain enthusiastic about the series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the film's quality and the necessity of prior episodes for understanding. While some find it a worthy addition to the series, others are critical of its execution and express a desire for different types of films.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying levels of attachment to the Star Wars franchise, which influences their perspectives. The discussion includes subjective interpretations of character motivations and plot coherence, reflecting personal biases and experiences with the series.

Who May Find This Useful

Fans of the Star Wars franchise, movie enthusiasts interested in character-driven narratives, and those curious about differing opinions on contemporary blockbuster films may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
HallsofIvy said:
You didn't know? Sodomy is hobbit forming!
:smile:
Sure I knew; although I haven't read "The Soddit", I've certainly read Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings" with Frito Bugger inheriting a stupid ring from his Uncle Dildo and all the rest..
 
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  • #32
Zantra said:
You may miss out on a few points, but there are so many tie-ins to the original star wars, it will look all too familiar.
I may check it out, then. Thanks.
 
  • #33
Zantra said:
and the elf my butt. ...
If Orlando had understood what people were most attracted to in his being in a movie, we could have been spared his presence in Troy, for example.
Instead of wasting his and our time there, he should have let his particular form of talent bloom to the full elsewhere..
 
  • #34
What I loved about the first Star Wars film was the humor. I didn't like any of the sequels.
 
  • #35
Evo said:
What I loved about the first Star Wars film was the humor. I didn't like any of the sequels.
The character of Han Solo is definitely my favourite from the original movies.
Harrison Ford brings into them a vitality sorely lacking in the prequels.

But, you were perhaps thinking equally of C-3PO?
 
  • #36
monique, please tell me what happens after Tae-suk is taken to jail.. I am not going to watch it anyway, so it doesn't matter if you spoil it..
 
  • #37
Evo said:
What I loved about the first Star Wars film was the humor. I didn't like any of the sequels.
Chewbacca is a space-zoobie.
 
  • #38
arildno said:
The character of Han Solo is definitely my favourite from the original movies.
Harrison Ford brings into them a vitality sorely lacking in the prequels.

But, you were perhaps thinking equally of C-3PO?
Han Solo was great. :approve: I loved it when he shot Greedo in the cantina. C-3PO had great comic lines, but there was subtle humor throughout the movie, like when Obi Wan was manipulating the mind of the storm trooper when they were being looked for in Mos Eisley.
 
  • #39
Monique said:
I am a bit tired of all these star wars movies or any movie that has a plot around fighting a war. I rather spend my money on independent movies, the other week I watched Bin-Jip.. something original.

I highly recommend Hitch. Funny, date movie. Will Smith's great in it.

It's not independent though.
 
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  • #40
Evo said:
Han Solo was great. :approve: I loved it when he shot Greedo in the cantina.
Ah yes, except that he doesn't shoot Greedo in Lucas' "Special Edition" version of the movie (well, he does, but he doesn't get to shoot first, so the effect is lost). That was just one of many scenes Lucas managed to ruin with the special edition. And to think that the ORIGINAL trilogy may never be released on DVD. :frown:
 
  • #41
jma2001 said:
Ah yes, except that he doesn't shoot Greedo in Lucas' "Special Edition" version of the movie (well, he does, but he doesn't get to shoot first, so the effect is lost). That was just one of many scenes Lucas managed to ruin with the special edition. And to think that the ORIGINAL trilogy may never be released on DVD. :frown:
I read about that. I can't believe he did that, it ruins the whole scene.

It reminds me of the scene in Indiana Jones when the guy starts making all those fancy moves with the sword and Indy pulls out his gun and shoots him. :approve:
 
  • #42
jma2001 said:
Ah yes, except that he doesn't shoot Greedo in Lucas' "Special Edition" version of the movie (well, he does, but he doesn't get to shoot first, so the effect is lost). That was just one of many scenes Lucas managed to ruin with the special edition. And to think that the ORIGINAL trilogy may never be released on DVD. :frown:
Which is why I prize my SVHS copies of this movie! I'll eventually get these onto the computer before the last SVHS VCR I'll ever own breaks :approve:
 
  • #43
klusener said:
monique, please tell me what happens after Tae-suk is taken to jail.. I am not going to watch it anyway, so it doesn't matter if you spoil it..
Why not? The part in jail and the time after that are most fun to watch.
 
  • #44
Evo said:
I read about that. I can't believe he did that, it ruins the whole scene.

It reminds me of the scene in Indiana Jones when the guy starts making all those fancy moves with the sword and Indy pulls out his gun and shoots him. :approve:

Funny you should mention that scene. I saw a special on "the making of.." and they were talking about that scene. I guess originally Harrison was supposed to have this elaborate duel with the guy, so they spent weeks and weeks practicing and rehearse the scene, and at the last moment they decided to just pull out his gun and shoot him for comic effect- which was hilarious actually. I guess the sword guy was really pissed.
 
  • #45
Zantra said:
I guess the sword guy was really pissed.
That was one of the all time best movie fights. There's a scene reminiscent of it in one of the Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns. Two guys faced off with guns. One guy starts to give one of those "dramatic" speeches, aimed at undermining the other's nerve. Second guy just pulls the trigger. First, talkative, guy falls dead. Second guy says to the corpse: "If you're going to shoot somebody, shoot! Don't talk!"
 
  • #47
i liked all of the starwars movies. i really like big epic movies with huge battles and fancy moves. i think the originals would have been like 123 with huge battles and crazy effects but they couldn't be done like that back then. its kind of weird though watching the old ones after the new ones because the differences in fighting styles. the new ones have insane quick swinging lightsaber attacks and flips while the old movies have slow swings like a medievil movie or something. this is kinda like a plothole i guess because you would think vader got stronger over the years instead of having weak slow attacks lol. not to mention vader nor the emperor used the force choke/throw much in the old movies
 
  • #48
Films seem condemned to reflect the time at which they are made, not the time which they are about.
 
  • #49
how come that small robot C-2PC whatever can fly and later does not ?
 
  • #50
cos he ran out of fuel and nobody thought to fill him up, just watched the film and its a damn good film, just as long as you don't analyse every single line and facial expression like most critics seem to.
 
  • #51
Andy said:
cos he ran out of fuel and nobody thought to fill him up, just watched the film and its a damn good film, just as long as you don't analyse every single line and facial expression like most critics seem to.
Glad you liked it! (I'm seeing it on Tuesday..)

But:
What are film critics to do?
They have to seem inexpendable, otherwise they wouldn't keep their job for long..
 
  • #52
Evo said:
I read about that. I can't believe he did that, it ruins the whole scene.

It reminds me of the scene in Indiana Jones when the guy starts making all those fancy moves with the sword and Indy pulls out his gun and shoots him. :approve:

That part wasn't in the script. HArisson wasn't feeling well that day and couldn't do the fight scene that they had planned. So they had him just shoot the guy. It turned out to be an Indiana Jones classic. He tries it in the third movie but is out of bullets.
 
  • #53
I like the third episode of Star Wars. R2 is the best. He actually kicks some butt in this movie. Never leave home without an R2 unit.

The story line seems decent in this movie. It doesn't drag much like the other two. It does seem to become a little overdone in the middle. Palpatine and Obi Wan and R2 are my favorite characters in this movie. There is action and lightsaber battles all over the place. They are pretty good except for a few scenes. I seem to remember laughing at Palpy ... well nevermind. The fall of Anakin doesn't seem completely believable to me. They could have spent more time on that and less on the action and probably had a better all around movie. I'd give it 4/5.

I wonder if this will be the last Star Wars movie. There is a gap at the end of Episode 3 and the old Star Wars movies. Chewbacca has a scene in Episode3 but there is no Han Solo. There could be something there and there is room in the timeline for it to happen.
 
  • #54
The physics in this movie are a disaster. Especially the first 20 minutes with the battle in space.

Other than that, I thought it was great. My favorite scene is when yoda walks into see the chancellor and just waves those two guards off and they fall immediately.
 
  • #55
whozum said:
The physics in this movie are a disaster.
Fortunately, though, the midichlorians are good biology. :approve:
 
  • #56
don't you mean "mitochondria"? I think that's what lucas meant.

re: revenge of the seth my opinion counts for nothing, because I'm a closet star wars geek. that means i know all the stuff but don't dress up. i think if i did it would be as kit fisto, that green squid-lookin jedi with the bug-eyes who never talks. i have to agree with most people & say tpm sucked. (one of them has to be the worst!)
 
  • #57
fourier jr said:
don't you mean "mitochondria"? I think that's what lucas meant.
Yet another joke of mine falling down in the abyss never to have inspired even the merest smile... :cry:
 
  • #58
whozum said:
The physics in this movie are a disaster. Especially the first 20 minutes with the battle in space.

The battle actually took place in the upper reaches of the Coruscant atmosphere. Lucas did that on purpose, as it allowed him to add a lot of fire to the action.
 
  • #59
arildno said:
Yet another joke of mine falling down in the abyss never to have inspired even the merest smile... :cry:

Here's what Lucas himself had to say about midi-chlorians:

"Midi-chlorians are a loose depiction of mitochondria, which are necessary components for cells to divide. They probably had something--which will come out someday--to do with the beginnings of life and how one cell decided to become two cells with a little help from this other little creature who came in, without whom life couldn't exist. And it's really a way of saying we have hundreds of little creatures who live on us, and without them, we all would die. There wouldn't be any life. They are necessary for us; we are necessary for them. Using them in the metaphor, saying society is the same way, says we all must get along with each other."
 
  • #60
Feel free to think that carriers of The Force is good biology.
 

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