Is the law of sines ever incorrect?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the validity of the law of sines, particularly in the context of different geometrical frameworks. Participants explore whether the law can be considered incorrect under certain conditions or in specific geometries, such as non-Euclidean geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the law of sines cannot be incorrect when applied correctly, based on their extensive experience in engineering.
  • Another participant suggests that the grad student may be referring to non-Euclidean geometry, where the law of sines does not hold.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that removing one of Euclid's axioms leads to new geometrical interpretations, potentially affecting the validity of the law of sines.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the grad student's claims, labeling them as foolish or misleading if they did not clarify the context of their argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the law of sines is valid in Euclidean geometry, but there is disagreement about its applicability in non-Euclidean contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the grad student's specific claims.

Contextual Notes

There is an implicit assumption that the law of sines is universally accepted in Euclidean geometry, while its status in non-Euclidean geometries is less clear and requires further exploration.

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I got into an argument with a mathematics grad student about the law of sines. He said that he has proven it to be wrong several times. I don't see how this is possible, given that the angles are opposing the sides, it doesn't seem possible for it to be EVER incorrect.

I asked him to prove it for me but he said he didn't have time.

Does anyone know about this being invalid?

In my years of studying engineering, I have NEVER found the law of sines to give me a false answer.
 
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If it was wrong, why would it be in all the books? Maybe he means sperical geometry, or something else.
 
as robert said, the grad student may have been talking about some non-Eulidean geometry.

If we take away one of Euclid's axioms, we make all new geometries and some of our inferences such as the law of sines may disappear.

Anyway, ask him about it again and put it on the forum.
 
Some grad students are fools, some are just wise-acres.

Many like to put undergraduates on.

Yes, in non-Euclidean geometry, the "sin law" is not true. If you look at your textbooks, you will see that they never claimed it to be true except in Euclidean geometry.

If your grad student actually thought he had proven the "sin law" to be false in Euclidean geometry, he is a fool. If he meant "in non-Euclidean" geometry, but did not specify that, he is a wise-acre. I don't recommend hanging around with either sort.
 

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