Is the Length of the Curve Segment Correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the length of a curve segment defined by the function $y = \cosh(ax)/a$ between the points $x = -l$ and $x = l$. Participants explore the calculation of the length using integral calculus and examine the limit of this length as $a$ approaches zero.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula for arc length, leading to an expression $L = 2\sinh(al)$ and a limit of $0$ as $a \to 0$.
  • Another participant questions the differentiation of $\sinh(ax)$, suggesting it results in $a\cosh(ax)$.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the integral of $\cosh(ax)$ and corrects an earlier claim, leading to a revised expression of $\frac{2\sinh(al)}{a}$.
  • Another participant acknowledges an error in their previous calculation but asserts that the limit as $a \to 0$ yields $2l$.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the correctness of the limit calculation involving derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the initial calculations and the implications of the limits. There is no consensus on the final expression for the length or the limit as $a$ approaches zero, indicating ongoing debate and refinement of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential errors in earlier calculations, but the specific nature of these errors remains unresolved. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of hyperbolic functions and their limits, which may depend on the context of the problem.

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Consider the segment of the curve $y = \cosh(ax)/a$ between $x = −l$ and $l$. Here $a$ and $l$ are positive constants. Find an explicit expression for the length of this curve segment in terms of $a$ and $l$, as well as its limit for $a \to 0$.

What I had done:

Using the formula $\displaystyle L = \int_a^b \sqrt{1+\bigg(\frac{dy}{dx}\bigg)^2}$

I get $\displaystyle L = \int_{-l}^l \sqrt{1+\left(\sinh{ax}\right)^2}\,{dx} = \int_{-l}^{l} \cosh(ax)\,{dx}=\sinh(al)-\sin(-al) = 2\sinh(al). $

$\displaystyle \lim_{a \to 0} 2\sinh(al) =2\sinh(0) = 0$

Could someone please confirm whether this is correct?
 
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What do you get when you differentiate $\sinh(ax)$?
 
greg1313 said:
What do you get when you differentiate $\sinh(ax)$?
I get $a\cosh(ax)$.
 
Right. So,

$$\int\cosh(ax)\,dx=\dfrac{\sinh(ax)}{a}+C$$
 
greg1313 said:
Right. So,

$$\int\cosh(ax)\,dx=\dfrac{\sinh(ax)}{a}+C$$
Oh wow. I can't believe I got that wrong! (Giggle)

So I should have got $ \frac{2\sinh(al)}{a}$ and $2\lim_{a \to 0}\frac{\sinh(al)}{a} = 2l\lim_{a \to 0}{\cosh{a}} = 2l$

Is this correct?
 
Though your final answer is correct, there is an error. See if you can spot it.
 
greg1313 said:
Though your final answer is correct, there is an error. See if you can spot it.

$\displaystyle 2\lim_{a \to 0}\frac{\sinh(al)}{a} = 2\lim_{a \to 0}\frac{\frac{d}{da}\sinh(al)}{\frac{d}{da} a} =2l\lim_{a \to 0}{\cosh{a}} = 2l$?
 

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