Is the Local Minima of y=x^3-2x^2-5x+2 at (2.120,-8.061)?

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The discussion centers around determining whether the local minimum of the function y = x^3 - 2x^2 - 5x + 2 occurs at the point (2.120, -8.061). Participants explore methods for finding local minima and maxima, including critical points and the use of derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if the local minimum is at (2.120, -8.061) for the given polynomial function.
  • Another participant outlines the process for finding local minima and maxima, emphasizing the need to find critical points by setting the first derivative to zero.
  • A different participant mentions using the Hessian to determine if a point is a minimum, noting that for a single-variable function, this would refer to the second derivative.
  • There is a question about how the value x = 2.120 was obtained, indicating a need for clarification on the calculation.
  • One participant reiterates the use of the Hessian, but acknowledges that the assumption about the x value leading to a maximum or minimum needs to be verified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether (2.120, -8.061) is indeed a local minimum. Multiple approaches and methods are discussed, but no definitive conclusion is drawn regarding the correctness of the proposed minimum.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the calculation of critical points and the application of the second derivative test. The discussion does not clarify the specific steps leading to the value of x = 2.120.

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for the equation... y = x^3 - 2x^2 -5x +2

is its local minima at (2.120,-8.061)

Thanks
 
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How do you find local minima/maxima? First find all the critical points. HOw do you find critical points?
1.f'(x)=0
2.f'(x) does not exist
since your function is a polynomial it means that also it's derivative will be a polynomial of a less degrees, so it will be defined for all real numbers.

Now, after you find the cr. points, how do you distinguish whether it is a local minima or a local maxima?
SInce it is a cubic polynomial there will be max two local extremes.

Say c,d are such cr. points
then c is said to be a local minima if: let e>0, such that e-->0

so f'(c-e)<0,and f'(c+e)>0

and d i said to be a local max, if

f'(d-e)>0 and f'(d+e)<0.

Now do it in particular for your function.

Can you go from here?
 
i just look at the hessian to figure out if it's a min or not
 
Hi daniel69! :smile:

How did you get x = 2.120 ?
 
JonF said:
i just look at the hessian to figure out if it's a min or not

Look at what?
 
JonF said:
i just look at the hessian to figure out if it's a min or not
Since this is a function of a single variable, its "Hessian" is just its second derivative. However, that would be assuming that the x value given really does give either a maximum or a minimum- which, I think, was part of the question.
 

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