Is the Mass of the Second Person Required to Determine Force?

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The problem involves two individuals, one with a known mass of 125 kg, where one person pushes the other, who travels a distance of 4 m before stopping. The initial velocity of the push is given as 5.75 m/s, and gravity is stated as 1.67 m/s². The main question revolves around determining the force acting on the second person, with a specific inquiry about the necessity of knowing the second person's mass.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of Newton's third law regarding the forces between the two individuals. There are questions about how to calculate the force on the first person and the relevance of gravity in this context. Additionally, some participants seek clarification on the phrasing of the problem, particularly regarding the initial velocity and the stated value of gravity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made in the original statement. Some guidance has been provided regarding Newton's third law, but there is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or the exact nature of the problem.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the relevance of gravity in the context of horizontal motion, as well as the accuracy of the stated gravitational acceleration. The original poster also indicates a time constraint for resolving the problem.

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Homework Statement


2 people. one has a mass of 125kg and pushes the other. the other travels 4m before stopping. the initial velocityof the push is 5.75m/s. Gravity is 1.67m/s2. What is the force acted on the second person.


Homework Equations


Is it even possible to figure this out without knowing the mass of the second person? (the one being pushed)


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the acceleration but it got me nowhere without knowing the mass of the other person.

Thanks so much for your quick replys. I need to figure this out within the next hour. :)
 
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According to Newton's third law, if A pushes on B with force F, then B pushes back on A with the same force in the opposite direction.

So if you can find the force on one person, you've got it for the other one, too.
 
Awesome. So how do I figure out the force of the first person. I have the mass (125kg) and gravity (1.67m/s2, but I'm not sure how you get the force with that. Gravity doesn't really affect the horizontal force I wouldn't think.
 
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Homework Statement


2 people. one has a mass of 125kg and pushes the other. the other travels 4m before stopping. the initial velocityof the push is 5.75m/s. Gravity is 1.67m/s2. What is the force acted on the second person.
Is this really the exact wording of the question? Some things just don't make sense:

1. What does "the initial velocity of the push" mean? Is that the initial velocity of the 2nd person? The initial velocity of the two people relative to each other? Something else?

2. I don't believe the statement "Gravity is 1.67m/s2". Gravity is not relevant for horizontal motion, and that is not the acceleration due to gravity on the Earth. Or is this supposed to be on the moon?

Please phrase the problem exactly as it is written, if you haven't done so here.
 
I actually misread the question. It was only asking for the coefficient of friction.
 

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