Is the maximum of infinitely many functions continuous on a compact space?

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of the maximum of infinitely many functions defined on a compact space. Participants explore whether the maximum exists under certain conditions and the implications of compactness on the continuity of such a maximum function.

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  • One participant asserts that if ##\varphi:X\times C\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## is continuous and ##C## is compact, then the function defined by ##\psi(x) = \text{sup}\{\varphi(x,c):c\in C\}## is continuous.
  • The continuity proof involves constructing neighborhoods and using properties of compactness to show that the supremum behaves continuously.
  • Another participant suggests considering a map from a function space of real-valued functions into the reals for defining the maximum over an infinite collection, mentioning the compact-open topology and the pasting lemma for finite collections.

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Participants generally agree on the continuity of the maximum for finite collections of functions but explore different approaches and conditions for infinitely many functions. There is no consensus on the best method or whether the maximum can be defined in all cases.

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Hello everybody!

Given a topological space ##X## and two functions ##f,g:X\rightarrow \mathbb{R}##, it is rather easy to prove that ##x\rightarrow \max\{f(x),g(x)\}## is continuous. I wonder if this also holds for infinitely many functions. Of course, the maximum doesn't need to exist, so we will at least need some compactness result to let the maximum exist.

The specific form I'm talking about is to let ##C## be compact and to give a function ##\varphi:X\times C\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## (perhaps continuous or something). Then we let
[tex]x\rightarrow \max_{c\in C} \varphi(x,c).[/tex] Is this continuous?
 
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Yes. Let ##\varphi:X\times C\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## be a continuous map with ##C## compact, and define ##\psi:X\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## by ##\psi(x) = \text{sup}\{\varphi(x,c):c\in C\}##; take ##x_0\in X## and ##\epsilon > 0##. By continuity of ##\varphi##, we have that for any ##c\in C##, there exists a neighborhood ##W_{c} = U_{c}\times V_{c}## of ##(x_0,c)## (these are the basis sets in the product topology so no loss of generality here) such that for all ##p\in W_{c}##, ##\left | \varphi(x_0,c) - \varphi(p) \right | < \frac{\epsilon}{2}##. Now ##(V_c)_{c\in C}## is an open cover of ##C## so there exists a finite subcover of C given by ##\{V_{c_1},...,V_{c_n}\}##. ##\{U_{c_1},...,U_{c_n}\}## is of course a finite collection of neighborhoods of ##x_0## so ##\bigcap _{i}U_{c_{i}}, i\in \{1,...,n\}## is also a neighborhood of ##x_0##.

Let ##y_0\in\bigcap _{i}U_{c_{i}}## then, since ##\bigcap _{i}U_{c_{i}}\times V_{c_{i}}\subseteq W_{c_{i}},\forall i\in \{1,...,n\}##, for any ##c\in V_{c_{i}}## we must have ##\left | \varphi(x_0,c_i) - \varphi(y_0,c)\right |< \frac{\epsilon}{2}##. Now ##\left | \varphi(x_0,c) - \varphi(y_0,c)\right |\leq \left | \varphi(x_0,c_i) - \varphi(x_0,c)\right | + \left | \varphi(x_0,c_i) - \varphi(y_0,c)\right |## for all ##c\in V_{c_i}##; consequently, ##\left | \varphi(x_0,c_i) - \varphi(x_0,c)\right |< \frac{\epsilon}{2}## since ##(x_0,c)\in W_{c_i}## so ##\left | \varphi(x_0,c) - \varphi(y_0,c)\right | < \epsilon ##. Since ##\bigcup _{i}V_{c_{i}} = C##, the above holds for all ##c\in C##.

Thus, ##\varphi(x_0,c) < \varphi(y_0,c) + \epsilon , \varphi(y_0,c) < \varphi(x_0,c) + \epsilon ## for all ##c\in C## therefore ##\text{sup}\{\varphi(x_0,c):c\in C\} < \varphi(y_0,c) + \epsilon \leq \text{sup}\{\varphi(y_0,c):c\in C\} + \epsilon## and similarly ##\text{sup}\{\varphi(y_0,c):c\in C\} < \text{sup}\{\varphi(x_0,c):c\in C\} + \epsilon##. Hence ##\left | \text{sup}\{\varphi(x_0,c):c\in C\}- \text{sup}\{\varphi(y_0,c):c\in C\} \right | < \epsilon## i.e. ##\psi## is continuous at ##x_0##, as desired.
 
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Awesome, thanks a lot, miss!

I really like your signature by the way!
 
No problem! Are you a physics student then? :)
 
WannabeNewton said:
No problem! Are you a physics student then? :)

Yes. I want to go into mathematical physics in grad school. I'm still a rising senior in high school though, but I greatly enjoy math and physics. Especially things to do with astronomy, as you can see from my username :smile:
 
Start getting into general relativity; it's the best subject in any field ever :)!
 
WannabeNewton said:
Start getting into general relativity; it's the best subject in any field ever :)!

Oh yes, I'm very interested in general relativity! I'm actually trying to study it right now (hence my interest in topology). I might make a relativity thread later on!
 
I look forward to it ;)
 
I think if you want to define the max over an infinite collection of functions you could consider a map from a function space ℝS of real-valued functions into the reals. And in my experience, one often uses the compact-open topology. For a pair, or finite collection of functions, you can also use the pasting lemma.
 

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