Is the Momentum Operator Hermitian in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the momentum operator in quantum mechanics, specifically whether it is Hermitian or self-adjoint. Participants explore definitions, implications, and the mathematical conditions that govern these concepts, with a focus on their application in one-dimensional quantum systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define a Hermitian operator as one that satisfies A = A(dagger), questioning how the momentum operator, defined as -i(h bar)d/dx, can be Hermitian given the sign discrepancy in its conjugate.
  • Others clarify that for unbounded operators like the momentum operator, the term "self-adjoint" is more appropriate than "Hermitian," and provide a mathematical condition involving integrals of wave functions.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of the momentum operator being Hermitian, noting that it still yields real eigenvalues and expectation values, and inquire about the orthogonality of its wavefunctions.
  • A few participants emphasize the need to check the self-adjoint condition through integration by parts, suggesting that the derivative operator is anti-Hermitian, which complicates the classification of the momentum operator.
  • Some participants discuss the subtleties involved in defining self-adjointness in infinite-dimensional spaces, indicating that the concepts of Hermiticity and self-adjointness do not coincide in this context.
  • Several participants reference their studies from various quantum mechanics textbooks, noting that these sources typically assert the momentum operator is Hermitian, while expressing uncertainty about how it satisfies the A = A(dagger) condition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the momentum operator is Hermitian or self-adjoint, with multiple competing views and interpretations of the definitions and implications presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that checking the condition A = A(dagger) is not straightforward and involves considerations of the domain of the operator, particularly in the context of infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners of quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in the mathematical foundations of operators and their properties in quantum theory.

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A Hermitian operator A is defined by A=A(dagger) which is the transpose and complex conjugate of A. In 1-D the momentum operator is -i(h bar)d/dx. How can this be Hermitian as the conjugate has the opposite sign ?
Thanks
 
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dyn said:
A Hermitian operator A is defined by A=A(dagger) which is the transpose and complex conjugate of A. In 1-D the momentum operator is -i(h bar)d/dx. How can this be Hermitian as the conjugate has the opposite sign ?
For unbounded operators with infinite spectrum, such as the momentum operator, one should use the adjective "self-adjoint" instead of Hermitian. If ##\phi, \psi## are square-integrable wave-functions, then a linear operator ##A## is said to be self-adjoint if
$$\int\!dx\; \phi^*(x) \, A \psi(x) ~=~ \int\!dx \Big(A \phi(x)\Big)^* \, \psi(x) ~.$$Exercise: check whether the above holds when ##A## is the momentum operator. :biggrin:
(Hint: use integration by parts.)
 
So the momentum operator isn't Hermitian ? But it still returns real eigenvalues and expectation values. Does it also produce orthogonal wavefunctions ?
 
dyn said:
A Hermitian operator A is defined by A=A(dagger) which is the transpose and complex conjugate of A. In 1-D the momentum operator is -i(h bar)d/dx. How can this be Hermitian as the conjugate has the opposite sign ?
Thanks

Checking whether ##A = A^\dagger## isn't quite as easy as it looks: the derivative operator ##\frac{d}{dx}## is in fact anti-Hermitian, so that the momentum operator as a whole is Hermitian (unsophisticated people like myself treat "Hermitian" and "self-adjoint" as synonyms, though in reality as strangerep points out this ignores certain subtleties).

"##A = A^\dagger##" is basically shorthand for the expression strangerep wrote. You should check whether that expression holds when ##A## is the momentum operator. If it holds, then the momentum operator is Hermitian.
 
dyn said:
So the momentum operator isn't Hermitian ? [...]
The notion of self-adjointness is a generalization of the notion of Hermiticity. E.g., in a finite dimensional vector, where ##u,v## are vectors (with complex components), the usual inner product can be written as
$$ (u,v) ~:=~ u^\dagger v ~.$$ If ##A## is a matrix, it is self-adjoint if ## (Au, v) = (u,Av)## or in this case:$$u^\dagger A v ~=~ (Au)^\dagger v ~.$$Thus, self-adjointness coincides with Hermiticity in the finite-dimensional case, i.e., is equivalent to usual notion of Hermiticity as the transpose conjugate.

Expressing the notion in terms of the inner product allows it to be generalized to infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces of wave functions, on which the momentum operator acts. In that case, Hermiticity and self-adjointness no longer coincide, in general. Self-adjointness still guarantees real eigenvalues (exercise).

As for orthogonality of eigenfunctions, the concept of eigenfunction must be generalized since those of the momentum operator are not normalizable, hence not in the Hilbert space. But that's a long story.

What textbook(s) are you studying from? I.e., QM and linear algebra? If you don't have any, then try Ballentine for QM and maybe Axler for linear algebra.
 
strangerep said:
For unbounded operators with infinite spectrum, such as the momentum operator, one should use the adjective "self-adjoint" instead of Hermitian. If ##\phi, \psi## are square-integrable wave-functions, then a linear operator ##A## is said to be self-adjoint if
$$\int\!dx\; \phi^*(x) \, A \psi(x) ~=~ \int\!dx \Big(A \phi(x)\Big)^* \, \psi(x) ~.$$

Isn't this hermitian? In order to be self-adjoint, you need some subtleties with the domain to hold.
 
micromass said:
Isn't this hermitian? In order to be self-adjoint, you need some subtleties with the domain to hold.
Ssshh. I was trying to coax the OP away from the notion of transpose+conjugate, and think in terms of the inner product instead in order to generalize to inf-dim spaces. I had intended (perhaps) to mention domains later, but let's wait and see what textbook(s) the OP is using, and what level of answer is appropriate... :biggrin:
 
strangerep said:
Ssssh. I was trying to coax the OP away from the notion of transpose+conjugate, and think in terms of the inner product instead in order to generalize to inf-dim spaces. I had intended (perhaps) to mention domains later, but let's wait and see what textbook(s) the OP is using, and what level of answer is appropriate... :biggrin:

Fair enough :-p Just found it weird that you corrected hermitian by self-adjoint but then write the condition for hermitian anyway. But yeah, let's wait for the OP to come back.
 
micromass said:
Fair enough :-p Just found it weird that you corrected hermitian by self-adjoint but then write the condition for hermitian anyway.
I'll rethink my pedagogical technique in future. :blushing:
 
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strangerep said:
I'll rethink my pedagogical technique in future. :blushing:

Don't, I'm just nitpicking :shy:
 
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I am mainly studying from QM textbooks. They all seem to say that the momentum operator is Hermitian and I can see that it satisfies the equations you have mentioned but I couldn't see how it satisfied A=A(dagger).
 
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dyn said:
I am mainly studying from QM textbooks. They all seem to say that the momentum operator is Hermitian and I can see that it satisfies the equations you have mentioned but I couldn't see how it satisfied A=A(dagger).

Take a look at strangerep's post #2. Do you agree that you need to check that relation for ##A##? Why don't you plug in your ##A## in that integral and work it out?
 
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dyn said:
I am mainly studying from QM textbooks. They all seem to say that the momentum operator is Hermitian and I can see that it satisfies the equations you have mentioned but I couldn't see how it satisfied A=A(dagger).
I agree with Micromass. It's time for you to do some work. (You couldn't even be bothered to say which textbooks.)
 
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dyn said:
I am mainly studying from QM textbooks. They all seem to say that the momentum operator is Hermitian and I can see that it satisfies the equations you have mentioned but I couldn't see how it satisfied A=A(dagger).

As others have said, the way to understand this is by looking at the definition of A^\dagger for inner products, which means an integral.

For the special case of A = \frac{d}{dx}, we have:

\int \Psi^*(x) \frac{d}{dx} \Phi(x) dx = \int \frac{d}{dx}(\Psi^*(x) \Phi(x)) dx - \int (\frac{d}{dx} \Psi^*(x)) \Phi(x) dx

That's just using the product rule for derivatives. The first term on the right vanishes for sufficiently well-behaved functions \Psi and \Phi, when we integrate over the entire space, so we have:

\int \Psi^*(x) \frac{d}{dx} \Phi(x) dx = - \int (\frac{d}{dx} \Psi^*(x)) \Phi(x) dx

That minus sign on the right is what makes \frac{d}{dx} anti-hermitian.
 
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strangerep said:
I agree with Micromass. It's time for you to do some work. (You couldn't even be bothered to say which textbooks.)

I am using a variety of textbooks including Shankar , Rae , Griffiths , Mandl and Zettilli
 

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