Is the Newtonian theory still being used?

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The discussion revolves around the relevance and application of Newtonian theory in contemporary scientific practice, particularly in engineering and real-world applications. Participants explore whether Newtonian mechanics is still utilized for tasks such as satellite launches or if it has become primarily of historical and educational significance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Newtonian theory is strictly false and has been superseded by relativity, yet it remains simpler and easier to apply in many situations.
  • Others argue that Newton's theory is not false within its domain and is still widely used, especially in engineering applications, where complex theories like quantum mechanics or relativity are unnecessary.
  • A participant mentions using general relativistic considerations for analyzing cornflakes, suggesting a more complex approach than typically needed.
  • Another participant emphasizes that Newtonian mechanics is sufficient for practical applications, such as launching spacecraft, while acknowledging that relativistic and quantum corrections may be relevant in auxiliary technologies.
  • Some participants highlight that Newtonian theory is useful as an approximate theory of mechanics, even if it is not entirely accurate in all contexts.
  • Homework and coursework sections are noted to predominantly use Newton's laws for dynamics and statics problems.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and applicability of Newtonian theory. While some agree on its usefulness in practical applications, others contend that it is fundamentally incorrect in the real world. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of Newtonian theory, as well as the dependence on specific contexts and definitions of "real scientific practice." The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the relevance of discrepancies between Newtonian and relativistic theories.

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The Newtonian theory is strictly speaking false and it has been superseded by the theory of relativity. However, it is more simple and easier to apply than the theory of relativity. Also, in some situations, the results do not differ significantly. The question is: is the Newtonian theory still being used in real scientific practice? Do they use it to launch satellites or for any other scientific purpose? Or rather it has only a didactic and historical value?
 
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Firstly, Newton's theory in not false in its domain (in most situation). And of course the Newtonian theory is still widely being used. Just look at all the engineering stuffs. I don't think anyone would analyze the structure of a house using quantum mechanics or relativity.
 
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I analyze the packing of cornflakes according to strict general relativistic considerations modified by first and second order quantum corrections in hbar- in a fully iterative self-consistent way, being careful to account for non-Euclidean metrics over the volume of the cornflake box.
 
quantumphilosopher said:
The Newtonian theory is strictly speaking false and it has been superseded by the theory of relativity. However, it is more simple and easier to apply than the theory of relativity. Also, in some situations, the results do not differ significantly. The question is: is the Newtonian theory still being used in real scientific practice? Do they use it to launch satellites or for any other scientific purpose? Or rather it has only a didactic and historical value?

you may surprised to hear that Newtonian/Classical mechanics is all it requires to get ppl to the Moon. GR and QM may come in at a lower level through auxiliary stuffs such as: GPS, semi-conductors electronics...but you really not don't need QM and GR to go to the Moon or even Mars.
 
christianjb said:
I analyze the packing of cornflakes according to strict general relativistic considerations modified by first and second order quantum corrections in hbar- in a fully iterative self-consistent way, being careful to account for non-Euclidean metrics over the volume of the cornflake box.

And of course cornflakes are fermions, therefore they obey the Pauli exclusion principle and cannot form a Bose-Einstein condensate at the bottom of the box. :biggrin:
 
quantumphilosopher said:
The Newtonian theory is strictly speaking false and it has been superseded by the theory of relativity. However, it is more simple and easier to apply than the theory of relativity. Also, in some situations, the results do not differ significantly. The question is: is the Newtonian theory still being used in real scientific practice? Do they use it to launch satellites or for any other scientific purpose? Or rather it has only a didactic and historical value?

Yes. In most actual applications of science, called engineering, Newtonian "theory" is what you use.
 
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tim_lou said:
Firstly, Newton's theory in not false in its domain (in most situation). And of course the Newtonian theory is still widely being used. Just look at all the engineering stuffs. I don't think anyone would analyze the structure of a house using quantum mechanics or relativity.

Well, strictly speaking [the context provided by the question], Newton's Theory is incorrect in the real world, even its domain of application... although you may not be able to measure the discrepancies [yet].. or care about the discrepancies. (Today, we should really replace phrases like "relativistic corrections" or "quantum corrections" by "terms ignored in the Newtonian approximation".)

This is not to say that you can't or you shouldn't use Newton's Theory. It is certainly very useful as an approximate theory of mechanics. (Some problems would be mathematically intractable without it.) I use it everyday.
 
The question is: is the Newtonian theory still being used in real scientific practice? Do they use it to launch satellites or for any other scientific purpose? Or rather it has only a didactic and historical value?
Have a look at the homework/coursework sections. Nearly all the dynamics and statics questions use Newtons laws.
 

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