Is the Origin of Korotkoff Sounds Rooted in the Resonance of the Arterial Wall?

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The discussion centers on the origin of Korotkoff sounds and whether they are rooted in the resonance of the arterial wall, referencing a 2015 paper that proposes this idea. Participants explore the implications of this hypothesis and its acceptance in the medical community, as well as related considerations in blood pressure measurement.

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  • One participant questions the current acceptance of the 2015 paper regarding Korotkoff sounds and suggests that the arterial wall acts as a resonant system.
  • Another participant provides a reference to a current source, prompting others to evaluate its relevance.
  • Concerns are raised about the importance of understanding Korotkoff sounds in the context of blood pressure measurement, particularly regarding the variability of readings.
  • A participant emphasizes that blood pressure measurements are snapshots of a dynamic system, influenced by various factors such as patient position and emotional state.
  • There is mention of the need for clinicians to interpret blood pressure readings with caution, considering them as samples rather than definitive indicators of health.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the resonance hypothesis and its implications for blood pressure measurement. There is no consensus on the acceptance of the hypothesis or the interpretation of blood pressure readings.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the dynamics of blood pressure measurement and the factors that can influence results, such as physiological changes and patient anxiety. These aspects remain unresolved within the conversation.

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Readers interested in the physiological basis of Korotkoff sounds, blood pressure measurement techniques, and the implications of dynamic physiological changes on clinical readings may find this discussion relevant.

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What is the "official" thinking today about the origin of Korotkoff sounds?

Has this 2015 paper found general acceptance?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1933171115007068

The idea IIUC is that the stretched arterial wall acts as a resonant system, and what we hear are transient excitations of this resonator.

Have there been critiques of this hypothesis?
 
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jim mcnamara said:
Um, why is this of interest....?
It might be related to their recent thread asking about taking BP measurements:

Swamp Thing said:
Is it ok to gently squeeze the bulb just after crossing the systolic or diastolic threshold, just to make sure of the exact value?
 
Oooh. Not a good assumption. BP mensuration results are a snapshot of a changing system. It is not a fixed unchanging declaration of a static system, more like a sample.

Its is a hydrostatic pressure measurement at a moment in time:
From the text above:
The pressure in a liquid at a given depth is called the hydrostatic pressure. This can be calculated using the hydrostatic equation: P = rho * g * d, where P is the pressure, rho is the density of the liquid, g is gravity (9.8 m/s^2) and d is the depth (or height) of the liquid.

During measurement if the patient raises an arm it changes the result. Changes in hormone levels like cortisol can really mess up readings - e.g., a kid getting a BP who is petrified of the whole process. So the result is not necessarily indicative of other pathologies. Clinicians know this and have to deal with the uncertainty - maybe by getting a series of readings or giving the kid a lollipop. Or treating the result as a sample of a population of these readings, and have, through experience, generated a working idea of true outliers caused by medical problems. And otherwise just go with the result as frightened kid "normal"
 
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