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The discussion revolves around the probabilities of quantum outcomes, particularly whether certain probabilities can be zero or if there are scenarios where outcomes, despite being extremely unlikely, could still occur. Participants explore concepts related to the behavior of electrons in atoms, radioactive decay, and the implications of an infinite universe on quantum events.

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  • Some participants question whether there exists a volume where finding an electron is 100% certain, or if there remains a possibility, however remote, of finding it far away.
  • There are claims that certain quantum transitions are forbidden, leading to zero probabilities in specific scenarios, such as fermions not occupying the same quantum state.
  • One participant suggests that while the theoretical probability of all atoms in a large sample decaying simultaneously exists, it is practically negligible.
  • Another participant mentions that basic quantum mechanics allows for non-zero probabilities of particles being found outside their future light cone, indicating the need for quantum field theory for a complete description.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of infinite universes, suggesting that events with vanishingly small probabilities could occur an infinite number of times, though this is met with skepticism regarding the well-defined nature of such questions in quantum mechanics.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of quantum probabilities, with some asserting that certain outcomes can be effectively zero while others argue about the implications of infinite universes on these probabilities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these probabilities in practical terms.

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Participants note that the discussion involves complex interpretations of quantum mechanics and the implications of infinite universes, which may not be fully defined or agreed upon.

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Is the probability of a quantum outcome ever zero such as with the location of an electron around atom or with radioactive decay?
Greetings,

Given an infinite universe or an infinite number of universes?

- Regarding the location of an electron around an atom, is there a tiny volume in which finding the electron 100%? Or is there a possibility, no matter how remote, it might be found a meter away or a kilometer away?

- Regarding radioactive decay, must the half-life rule always occur? Is there any possibility that all the radioactive atoms in a billion atom sample will decay at once?

Are such outcomes prevented by matter, energy, space, and time being quantized? By Planck units? Does that cause probabilities to become zero?

Thanks
 
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There are zero or one probabilities in quantum mechanics.
For example there are transitions in atoms (best example is hydrogen) which can't occur. So called forbidden transitions.
Also electrons are fermions and thus can't occupy the same quantum numbers. I.e. if you have a wave function ##\psi(x_1, x_2)## this will become zero for ##x_1 \to x_2##. And if the wavefunction is zero then the probability (density) ##|\psi(x, x)|^2## is also zero.

Regarding your second question: This is effectively a statistical property. So in theory.. yes. However I reckon the probability of a billion atoms all decaying at the same time is effectively zero. So in theory yes, in practice not really.
 
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CosmicVoyager said:
- Regarding the location of an electron around an atom, is there a tiny volume in which finding the electron 100%? Or is there a possibility, no matter how remote, it might be found a meter away or a kilometer away?
Basic QM is non relativistic and there is a non-zero probability of a particle being found outside its future light cone. That's one reason that ultimately you need QFT to describe elementary particles.

Moreover, in order to test something you need a realistic probability in order to confirm the theory with experiment. If the probability of something is vanishingly small, then it's experimentally indistinguishable from the impossible.
 
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EmilD said:
So in theory yes, in practice not really.
PeroK said:
If the probability of something is vanishingly small, then it's experimentally indistinguishable from the impossible.

Thanks for your very helpful replies. So, though the odds of us observing such events is practically zero, in an infinite universe or in an infinite number of universes, these events would occur. And would actually occur an infinite number of times, correct?
 
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CosmicVoyager said:
Thanks for your very helpful replies. So, though the odds of us observing such events is practically zero, in an infinite universe or in an infinite number of universes, these events would occur. And would actually occur an infinite number of times, correct?
I'm not sure that's a well-defined question. In QM generally you can only talk about the measurements you do make.
 
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