Is the release of oil a good thing?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of oil release on Earth's carbon cycle and its long-term effects on biological life. Participants explore the relationship between human actions, geological processes, and the sustainability of life over geological timescales.

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  • Some participants propose that the release of carbon through oil is part of a natural cycle that could ultimately benefit biological life over geological timescales.
  • Others argue that geological processes will eventually balance the carbon cycle, suggesting that current human actions may have limited long-term relevance.
  • A later reply questions the definition of "geologic timescales," emphasizing the ongoing relevance of current actions and the potential extinction of species.
  • One participant mentions that excess atmospheric carbon will be absorbed by oceans and land processes over time, indicating a natural mitigation of carbon levels.
  • References to scientific literature are provided, discussing the decline of biospheres and the geodynamics that may accompany changes in Earth's habitability.

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Participants express differing views on the long-term effects of oil release and human actions on the environment. There is no consensus on whether these actions are ultimately beneficial or detrimental in the context of geological timescales.

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Discussions include uncertainties regarding the definitions of geological timescales and the long-term impacts of current environmental changes. The relevance of human-induced extinctions and the timeline for significant ecological changes remain unresolved.

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Life on Earth started approximately 3.5 billion years ago. On Earth's surface there was a finite quantity of carbon, among other finite building blocks of life. Organisms absorb this carbon, then they die. After death the organisms carbon (and other life essential ingredients) are released and used again by the next organism that requires it. Thus there is a cycle.
I have released that over time, many organisms have been lost before their matter can be recycled. They become oil.
Now supposing humans never existed, this carbon would be removed from the surface of Earth throughout the course of time. If the carbon is being removed fast enough then there may come a time when there is not enough carbon left to sustain life.
So, while sudden changes may upset the system. In the long run (say, a billion years) Would the release of carbon not secure the future prosperity of biological life?

I'm having a real hard time with this idea because I really do respect the planet I live on and the notion of us causing irreversible damage to it is heartbreaking. I hate deforestation, war, everything that involves putting humans far above the rest of life. Yet I cannot get my head past the idea that releasing oil is a good thing (on a geological time scale).
The last thing I'd want is give the go ahead to the oil industry.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
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Over geological timescales, our actions today are irrelevant. There is much more carbon stored in rocks, and this carbon is part of the cycle as well - geological processes release it and capture it again. The oil (and coal) we don't bring to the surface will naturally appear there at some point, or get into the mantle and contribute to raw material for new mantle rocks, eventually reaching the surface again.

Our increased CO2 concentration means more carbon than before is absorbed by geological processes. Over thousands of years, the carbon we bring to the surface today will be underground again.
The longest-lasting effect of our current actions is probably the number of species that go extinct - but even that won't be notable a few million years from now. No, we do not cause irreversible damage. Just a lot of short-term damage and some damage that lasts a bit longer.

In a few hundred million years, the increasing power of the sun will lead to geological processes removing more and more CO2 from the atmosphere - up to the point where complex plant life won't survive. This happens completely independent of the amount of oil and coal we burn today.
 
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Unless "geologic timescales" is defined, relevance of our actions is moot. While it doesn't seem to have happened by the 2016 target, the Anthropocene Epoch will probably be accepted as a unit of the geologic timescale. The time frame of human evolution is even longer than that. In either time frame, geologic processes have been ongoing that have relevance.

The OP's concerns about the billion-year effects of our actions are probably irrelevant. Current models suggest that the dooming of plant life because of the loss of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is more like in terms of a Giga-year away. At the same time, stewardship of the Earth in the present and our future is not a philosophical construct that should be poo-poo'd in PF. The (un-necessary) extinction of species might well be noticed a million years from now. We don't know enough to make that judgement.
 
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Wikipedia has an article with more details and references. Short summary: Most of the excess carbon in the atmosphere will be absorbed in the oceans and bound as calcium carbonate on land over hundreds of years. The rest will slowly be consumed in breaking down rocks over tens of thousands of years.
 
Swansong Biospheres II: The final signs of life on terrestrial planets near the end of their habitable lifetimes
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...lifetimesdiv/EC5E8031028203F2EA3866C170575922
Jack T. O'Malley-James, Charles S. Cockell, Jane S. Greaves, John. A. Raven

Swansong biospheres: refuges for life and novel microbial biospheres on terrestrial planets near the end of their habitable lifetimes
Jack T. O'Malley-James, Jane S. Greaves , John A. Raven and Charles S. Cockell
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...lifetimesdiv/023CF64F11A555FC55798825E9D1B955

both are also in arXiv now, I think.

http://www.tellusb.net/index.php/tellusb/article/view/16085
REDUCTION OF BIOSPHERE LIFE SPAN AS A CONSEQUENCE OF GEODYNAMICS
This is a good paper on the geodynamics/tectonics that would accompany the decline of the biosphere, even if it's a bit dated.
 

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