Is the set of irrationals a complete metric space?

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The discussion centers around the nature of the set of irrational numbers as a metric space, specifically questioning whether it is a complete metric space. Participants explore the implications of Alexandrov's theorem and the characteristics of Polish spaces, as well as the existence of metrics under which the irrationals may be complete.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that irrationals form a Gδ set of the reals but are not a complete metric space under the usual metric, raising questions about the implications of Alexandrov's theorem.
  • Another participant clarifies that a completely metrizable space is not the same as a complete metric space, suggesting that a metric exists that can make the irrationals complete.
  • A proposed metric is presented, which is claimed to generate the same topology as the standard one in the irrationals, indicating a complex relationship between different metrics and topologies.
  • Reference is made to Hocking and Young's Topology, where the metric on the irrationals is discussed, with one participant expressing interest in the historical context of point-set topology.
  • There is curiosity about whether the described metric is part of a more general technique for other Gδ subsets.
  • A later reply confirms that the proof for the existence of a complete metric for a Gδ subset is constructive and can be generalized, although specifics are not fully detailed.
  • One participant reflects on the differences between classical and modern topology, suggesting that classical approaches provide deeper insights into the underlying details of metric spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of the irrationals as a metric space, with some asserting the existence of a complete metric while others highlight the limitations of the standard metric. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these findings.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the metrics and the specific conditions under which the irrationals may be considered complete. The relationship between different metrics and their topological implications is not fully explored.

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I came across Alexandrov's theorem which says that if X is a Polish space then so is any Gδ subset of X. The set of irrationals appears to be a ground for suspicion : irrationals form a G-delta set of the reals & yet are not a complete metric space ( all under the usual metric).
There is, of course, a metric under which the irrationals are complete.Could someone clarify this? Thanks.
 
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From wiki:

"a Polish space is a separable completely metrizable topological space"

A completely metrizable space isn't the same as complete metric space. It means that there exists some metric on the space which induces the topology which is complete, so it seems that what you have said is totally correct.
 
It seems like the thing to show is that the metric ρ(x,y)=d(x,y)+Ʃn=12-nψn , with: ψn(x,y)=|fi(x)-fi(y)(y)|/[1+|fi(x)-fi(y)|]

And fi(x) := 1/d(x,M-Ui) , where the irrationals are an intersection of the Ui

Generates the same topology as the standard one in the irrationals.

A tour-de-force ( or, like some say it, a tour-de-france ) of point-set topology.
 
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Just in case, the metric on the irrationals is described in Hocking and Young's Topology, in page 83-or-so. The book is a trip back in time where point-set topology was a big game. I find a lot of it interesting, but nowadays much of it seems like mor eof a curiosity; used in some areas (e.g., functional analysis, and assumed --and often swept under the rug-- in algebraic topology).
 
Ah, ok. Was really scratching my head with that metric you described. Is it part of a more general technique?
 
Yes, the proof that there exists a complete metric for a Gδ subset is constructive, and the metric given is the one I posted. It can be generalized for
other Gδ subsets , of course.
 
Hope this is not too far off-topic , neither for this post nor the forum, but there are other results in the book one does not hear much about, like that of producing an actual metric to show that an inverse limit of metric spaces is a metric space. I guess that's the difference between clasical and modern topology; in classical, one can see better what's under the hood, in terms of underlying details, tho maybe the problem with classica is that of not being able to see the forest, from somuch detail.
 

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