Is the Set of Pairs of Real Numbers with Non-Negative First Term a Vector Space?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the set of pairs of real numbers (x, y), where x is non-negative, forms a vector space under standard operations in R². Participants are tasked with identifying which axioms of vector spaces are not satisfied.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the failure of specific vector space axioms, particularly focusing on the existence of additive inverses and scalar multiplication with negative scalars. There is a suggestion that more than one axiom may not hold, prompting further examination.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants identifying specific axioms that fail, such as the lack of additive inverses and issues with scalar multiplication. There is recognition that additional axioms may also need to be checked, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the requirement to list all failing axioms, which adds complexity to the analysis. The original poster's approach is acknowledged, but further work is suggested to ensure a comprehensive evaluation of all relevant axioms.

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Homework Statement



Determine if the following set is a vector space under the given operations. List all the axioms that fail to hold.

The set of all pairs of real numbers of the form (x,y), where x >= 0, with the standard operations on R^2

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The Attempt at a Solution



By the axioms of a vector space the set fail on hold this axiom:

for each u in V, there is an object -u in V, called negative of u, such that u + (-u) = (-u) + u = 0.

If the x term in the pair (x,y) is positive (or zero) then -u = (-x, -y) can not exists. Thus, the negative of u does not exist, and V is not a vector space.

Is this correct?
 
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trixitium said:

Homework Statement



Determine if the following set is a vector space under the given operations. List all the axioms that fail to hold.

The set of all pairs of real numbers of the form (x,y), where x >= 0, with the standard operations on R^2

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



By the axioms of a vector space the set fail on hold this axiom:

for each u in V, there is an object -u in V, called negative of u, such that u + (-u) = (-u) + u = 0.

If the x term in the pair (x,y) is positive (or zero) then -u = (-x, -y) can not exists. Thus, the negative of u does not exist, and V is not a vector space.

Is this correct?

It's OK as far as you went, but you have some more work to do. You need to check all the axioms. There is at least one more that isn't satisfied.
 
It also fails in:

K is any scalar, u is in V, ku is in V.

u = (x,y)

If I choose k < 0, then ku = k(x,y) = (kx,ky) and kx < 0 and ku is not in V.
 
Note that if the problem had asked only if this was a vector space, you could have stopped after showing one axiom did not hold. But this problem specifically asks you to list all axioms that do not hold.
 

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