Is the sign in this integral correct?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of integrals involving sine and cosine functions, particularly focusing on the sign of a parameter in the integral of sine and the integrability of cosine over a specified range. Participants explore the implications of these integrals in both theoretical and applied contexts.

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  • Some participants clarify that the sign in the integral formula for sine indicates the literal sign of the parameter a, affecting the outcome of the integral.
  • Others express uncertainty regarding the integral of cosine, particularly when evaluating at β=0, suggesting that it may lead to a non-integrable form.
  • One participant notes that the graph of cos(x)/x has a non-removable discontinuity at 0, contrasting it with sin(x)/x, which has a removable discontinuity.
  • There is a discussion about the Cauchy principal value of an integral involving e^(jt)/t, with suggestions to use substitutions and split integrals to evaluate it.
  • Participants debate the implications of changing limits and the effects of negative exponents on the integrals being evaluated.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the sign in the sine integral but express differing views on the integrability of the cosine integral and the evaluation of related integrals involving complex exponentials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to evaluate these integrals.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the sine and cosine integrals, the unresolved nature of the integrals at specific limits, and the assumptions made regarding the behavior of the functions involved.

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In the table of integral, there is this formula

\int_0^{\infty}\frac{sin(ax)}{x}\,dx=\frac{\pi}{2}\text{sign} a

is sign a here is literally the sign of a, or it means something else?
 
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EngWiPy said:
In the table of integral, there is this formula

\int_0^{\infty}\frac{sin(ax)}{x}\,dx=\frac{\pi}{2}\text{sign} a

is sign a here is literally the sign of a, or it means something else?
Yes, it means the sign of a. ##\text{sign}(a)## and equals +1 if a > 0 and -1 if a < 0. So the integral above equals ##\pi/2## if a > 0, and ##-\pi/2## if a < 0.
 
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Mark44 said:
Yes, it means the sign of a. ##\text{sign}(a)## and equals +1 if a > 0 and -1 if a < 0. So the integral above equals ##\pi/2## if a > 0, and ##-\pi/2## if a < 0.

Thanks. I was looking for something similar but for cosine, and I found this

\int_0^{\infty}\frac{cos(ax)}{x+\beta}\,dx=-sin(a\beta)si(a\beta)-cos(a\beta)ci(a\beta)

where ##si(.)## and ##ci(.)## are the sine and cosine integrals, respectively. However, I want this for ##\beta=0##, which results in ##-ci(0)##. I am not sure, but it seems the result of this is ##-\infty##. Does this mean that ##cos(x)/x## is not integrable over ##[0, \infty)##?
 
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Thanks. I was looking for something similar but for cosine, and I found this

\int_0^{\infty}\frac{cos(ax)}{x+\beta}\,dx=-sin(a\beta)si(a\beta)-cos(a\beta)ci(a\beta)

where ##si(.)## and ##ci(.)## are the sine and cosine integrals, respectively. However, I want this for ##\beta=0##, which results in ##-ci(0)##. I am not sure, but it seems the result of this is ##-\infty##. Does this mean that ##cos(x)/x## is not integrable over ##[0, \infty)##?
Right, because the graph of ##y = \frac{\cos(x)} x## has a non-removable discontinuity at 0, unlike the graph of ##y = \frac{\sin(x)} x##, which has a removable discontinuity that doesn't affect the integral.

From the graph here, ##Ci(0)## appears to be ##-\infty##, so I think you have an incorrect sign.
 
Thanks. Yes, right ##ci(0)=-\infty## not ##-ci(0)##. So, I cannot evaluate this integration? The original integration that I want to evaluate is

\int_0^{\infty}\frac{e^{-jtx}}{t}\,dt

where ##j=\sqrt{-1}##. Can I evaluate it in another way?
 
Ahlfors notes that using residues and some limit considerations, the Cauchy principal value of \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{e^{jt}}{t}dt is j\pi. I would suggest substituting u=x\cdot t in your integral and see where it leads.
 
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Ahlfors notes that using residues and some limit considerations, the Cauchy principal value of \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{e^{jt}}{t}dt is j\pi. I would suggest substituting u=x\cdot t in your integral and see where it leads.

Thanks, but what about the integration limits? In my case. the lower limit is ##0## and not ##-\infty##. Even after the change of variables, the limits remains the same.
 
EngWiPy said:
Thanks, but what about the integration limits? In my case. the lower limit is ##0## and not ##-\infty##. Even after the change of variables, the limits remains the same.
I haven't calculated the answer, just presented a tip. Next tip: split the integral in the middle and substitute -u for u in the negative part.
 
Svein said:
I haven't calculated the answer, just presented a tip. Next tip: split the integral in the middle and substitute -u for u in the negative part.

In my case, the exponent is negative, not just the limits. So, if I assume that ##u=-t##, I get the following integral:

-\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}\,du = -\int_{-\infty}^0\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}\,du -\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}\,du = j\pi

I am interested in ##\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}\,du = -\int_{-\infty}^0\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}\,du -j\pi##, but then how to evaluate the integral in the RHS. It is the same problem as before.
 
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I know that you may still not be satisfied, but \int_{-\infty}^{0}\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}du=\int_{\infty}^{0}\frac{e^{ju}}{u}du=-\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{e^{ju}}{u}du. Add the two integrals: \int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-ju}}{u}du-\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{e^{ju}}{u}du=2\cdot j \int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{\sin(u)}{u}du.
 

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