Is the Sun's Gravitational Effect Stronger at the Equator than at the Poles?

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The discussion centers on whether the Sun's gravitational effect varies between its equator and poles, particularly in relation to objects in space not rotating with the Sun. Participants explore concepts of gravitational force, the Sun's shape as an oblate spheroid, and the implications of these factors on gravitational pull.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the Sun's gravitational effect differs at its equator compared to its poles.
  • Another participant explains that the Sun's rotation creates a centripetal force that affects gravitational pull, suggesting that objects at the poles experience full gravitational force while those at the equator receive a slight boost due to the spin.
  • A participant interprets the question to consider objects in space above the Sun, arguing that gravitational force would be greater above the equator due to the Sun's oblate shape, which has more mass at the equator than at the poles.
  • Further elaboration indicates that the gravitational effect of the Sun's oblateness is very small, influenced by the Sun's quadrupole moment and its near-spherical shape.
  • Another participant acknowledges the small effect of the Sun's oblateness on gravitational force, comparing it to the relativistic precession experienced by Mercury.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the gravitational effects related to the Sun's shape and rotation. While some agree on the general concept of gravitational differences due to the Sun's oblateness, the extent and significance of these effects remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the gravitational influence of the Sun's quadrupole moment is very small and that the Sun is nearly a perfect sphere, which complicates the understanding of gravitational differences at its equator and poles.

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Is the suns gravitational effect different on various parts of the sun? Is it stronger at the equator of the sun that it would be at the north or south poll? I did a search for this online and on here but did not find anything, so any help would be very much appreciated.
 
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The Sun turns on its axis much like the Earth does. This motion creates a sort of cetripetal counter force to the gravity of its mass. So like a spinning top, something at the poles would receive the full effect of the Sun’s gravity, whereas something at the equator would get a slight boost from the spin. The ESA uses this effect when space missions are launched from French Guiana near the Earth’s equator. Some huge stars actually bulge visibly at their equator.
If this is what you had in mind.
 
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Yes thank you very much.
 
No problem, and welcome to the forum!
 
I interpreted this a little differently: "would an object in space, NOT on the sun, NOT rotating with it, such that a straight line from the center of sun to the object passes through a pole, have different gravitational force on it than an object in space such that a line from the center of the sun to the object passes through the equator of the sun?"

Since the rotating sun is be an "oblate" spheroid, wider at the equator than at the poles, there is more mass pulling on the object directly above the equator than on the object directly above the poles. The gravitational force will be greater on an object directly above the equator than on an object directly above the poles.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I interpreted this a little differently: "would an object in space, NOT on the sun, NOT rotating with it, such that a straight line from the center of sun to the object passes through a pole, have different gravitational force on it than an object in space such that a line from the center of the sun to the object passes through the equator of the sun?"

Since the rotating sun is be an "oblate" spheroid, wider at the equator than at the poles, there is more mass pulling on the object directly above the equator than on the object directly above the poles. The gravitational force will be greater on an object directly above the equator than on an object directly above the poles.


That makes sense, I looked into oblate spheroid's and found some good information about the effect of gravity at or around the equator vs the poles.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Since the rotating sun is be an "oblate" spheroid, wider at the equator than at the poles, there is more mass pulling on the object directly above the equator than on the object directly above the poles. The gravitational force will be greater on an object directly above the equator than on an object directly above the poles.
The effect is very, very small for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the influence of any gravitational body's quadrupole moment decreases as the inverse fourth power of the distance from the object. Secondly, the Sun's gravitational quadrupole moment (solar J2=10-7; c.f. Earth J2=0.00108) is very, very small because the Sun is very close to a perfect sphere (solar flatening=9×10-6); c.f. Earth flatening=0.0034). The end result is an extremely small effect. Think of it this way: The effect of the Sun's oblateness on Mercury's orbit is much, much smaller than the relativistic precession.
 

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