Is the Trace of a Nilpotent Matrix Always Zero?

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The discussion centers on whether the trace of a nilpotent matrix is always zero, specifically when the matrix squared equals zero. Participants explore various mathematical properties and implications related to nilpotent matrices, including their eigenvalues and characteristic polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if \( X^2 = 0 \), then \( \text{Tr}(X) = 0 \) follows from properties of the matrix, such as its normal form or generalized eigenvalues.
  • Others argue that the upper triangular form is not necessary, suggesting that the Jordan normal form can be used to support the claim.
  • A participant mentions that if \( X^2 \) is the minimal polynomial, it divides the characteristic polynomial, leading to implications about the trace without needing a change of basis.
  • Another participant questions the relationship between the trace and the characteristic polynomial, initially misidentifying the coefficients related to the trace and determinant.
  • Some participants note that all eigenvalues of a nilpotent matrix must be zero, which implies both the trace and determinant are zero.
  • A later reply suggests that considering nilpotent matrices of index 2 simplifies the argument for the trace being zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of certain mathematical properties and forms (like upper triangular or Jordan normal form) to prove the claim. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most straightforward proof or the necessity of specific assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge missing steps or assumptions in their reasoning, particularly regarding the relationship between the characteristic polynomial and the trace. There is also uncertainty about the implications of nilpotency index definitions.

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If [tex]X\in\textrm{End}(\mathbb{R}^n)[/tex] is some arbitrary nxn-matrix, is it true that

[tex] X^2 = 0\quad\implies\quad \textrm{Tr}(X)=0?[/tex]
 
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jostpuur said:
If [tex]X\in\textrm{End}(\mathbb{R}^n)[/tex] is some arbitrary nxn-matrix, is it true that

[tex] X^2 = 0\quad\implies\quad \textrm{Tr}(X)=0?[/tex]
Sounds plausible. Doesn't it follow immediately from putting X into a normal form, or from computing its generalized eigenvalues?
 
hmhm.. yes. If X is upper triangular, then

[tex] \sum_{k=1}^n X_{ik} X_{kj} = 0\quad\forall i,j[/tex]

implies

[tex] 0=\sum_{k=1}^n X_{ik} X_{ki} = X_{ii}^2\quad\forall i[/tex]
 
It doesn't have to be upper triangular.

My hunch is that you could take advantage of higher powers of X being zero to say that

[tex]X^n = 0, n \geq 2 \Rightarrow[/tex]
[tex]e^X = I + X[/tex]
and then if you could argue that
[tex]\det (I + X) = 1[/tex]
then
[tex]\det (e^X) = 1[/tex]
but
[tex]\det (e^X) = e^{(\textup{tr} X)}[/tex]
which would imply that
[tex]e^{(\textup{tr} X)} = 1 \Rightarrow \textup{tr} X = 0[/tex]

but I'm missing the crucial step, so I guess it's no good. It's an interesting problem and I'll follow this thread to see if anyone posts the solution.
 
This got settled already. We don't need to assume that X is upper triangular in the beginning, because there is a theorem that says that for any matrix there is a coordinate transformation that transforms the matrix into the Jordan normal form, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_normal_form (edit: hmhm... although it could be that the transform involves complex numbers...). The Jordan normal form is a special case of upper triangular matrices, so if the claim is true for them, its all done.

Actually the proof (the one I know) of the formula [tex]\textrm{det}(e^X) = e^{\textrm{Tr}(X)}[/tex] uses the fact that we can choose a basis so that X is upper triangular. I'm not fully sure what you were doing, but I believe that if you could make your idea work, it would probably still be using the same underlying facts.
 
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If X^2 is zero then either X is zero, or X^2 is the minimal poly of X, and in particular divides its characteristic polynomial, which implies that the char poly has 0 constant term, but the constant term is +/- the trace of X. No need to invoke a choice of basis.
 
matt grime said:
If X^2 is zero then either X is zero, or X^2 is the minimal poly of X, and in particular divides its characteristic polynomial, which implies that the char poly has 0 constant term, but the constant term is +/- the trace of X. No need to invoke a choice of basis.

Okey, no need for change of basis if you know lot of linear algebra! I think I'll skip the proof of Cayley-Hamilton theorem for now, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayley–Hamilton_theorem, because it looks too unpleasant.
 
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wait a minute... why is the constant term of the characteristic polynomial plus or minus the trace?

For example [tex]\textrm{tr}(1_{2\times 2})=2[/tex], but

[tex] \textrm{det}(1_{2\times 2}-\lambda) = \lambda^2 - 2\lambda + 1[/tex]
 
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Duh. Idiot. It is the coefficient of the second highest term that is the trace (or minus the trace). It is the determinant that is the constant coefficient. Sorry. Stick with the e-values all being zero, hence the sum being zero, and thus the trace is zero.
 
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That was slick Matt. Any eigenvalue has to be zero (since any e-vector of X is an e-vector of X^2), so the characteristic polynomial is just [tex]\lambda^n[/tex] and both the trace and the determinant must vanish.
 
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