Is the Transition Allowed for Δl = 0 in Electric Dipole Selection Rules?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the electric dipole selection rules, specifically examining the transition rate for the case where Δl = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of this selection rule in the context of electric dipole matrix elements and wave functions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant attempts to evaluate the electric dipole matrix elements and questions the validity of a transition with Δl = 0, given the selection rule that states Δl = ±1. Another participant discusses the parity of the wave functions and its effect on the integral, suggesting that the integral should yield zero due to odd parity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights about the evaluation of integrals and the implications of parity on the results. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to split the radial component into parts for evaluation, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the depth of exploration into the theoretical aspects of the selection rules. There is an acknowledgment of the need for explicit wave functions in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



For \Deltal = 0 the transition rate can be obtained by evaluating the electric dipole matrix elements
given by

\vec{I} = \int \Psi^{*}_{1,0,0} (e \vec{r}) \Psi_{2,0,0} d\tau

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The Attempt at a Solution



I've got the two wave functions, neither of which have a theta or phi dependance, so when multiplied by the r vector, I should just get their r components. Evaluating this integral is simple, but I'm not sure if I understand what the answer means.
The selection rule for l is \Deltal =\pm1, so doesn't that mean that this case, where \Deltal = 0 shouldn't be allowed? I might be completely off track, but I thought that the integral would give me 0, proving this, but that's not the value I'm getting. The actual calculation here isn't difficult, but I think I'm missing something conceptually.
 
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the operator has odd parity, angular wave functions has parity (-1)^l.

So \Psi_{2,0,0} means n=2, l = 0, m = 0 right ?

If that is the case, then you see that the total integrand has odd parity, and integration over whole space will give you zero.
 
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Makes sense.. I actually talked to the prof about the question, and it turns out we had to split r into components, and evaluate all three integrals explicitly.. it was a bit annoying, but I got it sorted out. Thanks for the help!
 
yeah, if you have explicit wave functions, then you just work it out. I was trying to explain the general idea behind the selection rules :)
 

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