Is the Trigonometric Analysis of Conveyor Belt Forces Correct?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of forces acting on a package on a conveyor belt inclined at an angle, focusing on trigonometric components of these forces. Participants are examining the relationship between gravitational forces, friction, and the normal force in the context of steady motion.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the meaning of "total force" in relation to the forces acting on the box. There is confusion regarding the necessity of height in the analysis and the correct application of trigonometric functions to the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on drawing a free body diagram and identifying the components of forces acting on the box. There is an ongoing debate about the correctness of the trigonometric functions used in the force equations, with differing interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the assumption that friction is at its limiting value and the implications of the box moving at a steady velocity, which raises questions about the total force required to maintain this state. Participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of normal and parallel forces in the context of the incline.

Aariz
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
New user has been reminded to always show their work on schoolwork problems.
Homework Statement
solve the problems
Relevant Equations
mgsinΘ-µmgcosΘ=F
Screenshot 2024-09-04 172608.png
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You must make an effort at the solution before we can help you.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: erobz
Isn't the total force meaning the force needed to get that on the top...but i am confused about the height ..is height needed .?
 
Aariz said:
Isn't the total force meaning the force needed to get that on the top...but i am confused about the height ..is height needed .?
Start with a free body diagram of the package on the slope. Draw the box and draw vectors representing the forces acting on it.
 
Aariz said:
Isn't the total force meaning the force needed to get that on the top...but i am confused about the height ..is height needed .?
You had written down an equation for force:
Aariz said:
mgsinΘ-µmgcosΘ=F
Apparently, this is the component of net force acting on the box in the direction parallel to the ramp, diagonally downward. This under the assumption that friction is at its limiting value (just on the verge of slipping).

The ##mg \sin \theta## term is for the component of gravity parallel to the ramp (left and down).

##mg \cos \theta## would be the normal force from the ramp on the box -- equal and opposite to the component of gravity normal to the ramp. We multiply by ##\mu## to get the limiting value of friction parallel to the ramp (acting up and to the right on the box.).

I agree with this formula.

However, there is a problem. If the box is not slipping on the conveyor then it is moving at a steady velocity. What must the "total force" be to maintain a steady velocity?
 
jbriggs444 said:
I agree with this formula.
According to the angle labeled as ##\theta## in the diagram? I think the trig functions are in your description are flipped. ##mg \sin \theta ## is the normal force, and the weight of the box parallel is to the slope is ##mg \cos \theta##.

jbriggs444 said:
The ##mg \sin \theta## term is for the component of gravity parallel to the ramp (left and down).

##mg \cos \theta## would be the normal force from the ramp on the box -- equal and opposite to the component of gravity normal to the ramp. We multiply by ##\mu## to get the limiting value of friction parallel to the ramp (acting up and to the right on the box.).
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: jbriggs444
erobz said:
According to the angle labeled as ##\theta## in the diagram? I think the trig functions are in your description are flipped. ##mg \sin \theta ## is the normal force, and the weight of the box parallel is to the slope is ##mg \cos \theta##.
Yes, flipped.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: erobz

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
9K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 78 ·
3
Replies
78
Views
10K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
Replies
7
Views
4K