Box on a conveyor belt (friction)

In summary: The force of gravity causes the crate to be attracted to the conveyor belt, but static friction opposes this motion and the crate stays put.
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Homework Statement


A 10kg crate is placed on a horizontal conveyor belt. Draw a free-body diagram showing all the forces on the crate if the conveyer belt is speeding up.

Homework Equations


Its mastering physics says to "Draw the force vectors with their tails at the dot. The orientation of your vectors will be graded. The exact length of your vectors will not be graded but the relative length of one to the other will be graded. "
The only other thing is there is long arrow pointing to right labelled "direction".

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that normal force will go perp to surface so positive y-axis, and F_mg will go along negative x-axis, but the friction force is making me think...The static friction force will point opposite the direction the object would move if there was no friction. The crate would move to left in this scenario, because it is on a conveyor belt accelerating to right. But that's what confuses me, because that would actually be the same direction as conveyor belt. Is this because of 2 reference frames, or nothing to do with that? thanks for any help.
 
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sp3sp2sp said:
I know that normal force will go perp to surface so positive y-axis, and F_mg will go along negative x-axis,
The mg force of gravity is down, not along the x axis...

And the horizontal force of friction is what is moving the box sideways and accelerating it.

Can you use the Upload button in the lower right of the Edit window to Upload a PDF or JPEG image of your FBD? Thanks.
 
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sorry i actually did mean to say mg pointing along neg-y axis. FBD attached.
 

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if the box was on a frictionless surface it would move to left if conveyor belt moved to right. So that's why I am saying static friction points to right, to oppose motion it would move.
 
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sp3sp2sp said:
if the box was on a frictionless surface it would move to left if conveyor belt moved to right. So that's why I am saying static friction points to right, to oppose motion it would move.
I agree with what you are saying, but the wording could be better.

"If the box was on a frictionless surface it would move left relative to a rightward-accelerating belt".
"Static friction acts rightward on the box, opposing the relative motion that would otherwise exist".

On your drawing, the vector denoting the force of gravity is drawn longer than the vector denoting the normal force. Is that intentional?
 
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no i just drew it quick. Downward force of gravity, g must = normal force, N because no movement in y directions.
... if my fbd is correct then that means that that friction points opposite to the direction of motion only with respect to nonrelative motion, is that right? thanks
 
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sp3sp2sp said:
if my fbd is correct then that means that that friction points opposite to the direction of motion only with respect to nonrelative motion, is that right?
I do not understand what you are trying to say.

Static friction acts on an object to oppose the relative motion that would exist were it not for static friction. "nonrelative motion" (whatever that means) is irrelevant. Dynamic friction acts to oppose the relative motion that actually does exist. "nonrelative motion" (whatever that means) is irrelevant.

The relevant relative motion is between the two objects that are in contact.
 

Related to Box on a conveyor belt (friction)

1. What is a box on a conveyor belt?

A box on a conveyor belt refers to an object that is placed on a moving surface, typically made of rubber or metal, that transports the box from one location to another. The belt is usually powered by a motor or other mechanism to move the box along the conveyor.

2. What is friction in relation to a box on a conveyor belt?

Friction is the resistance or force that is created between two surfaces when they come into contact with each other. In the case of a box on a conveyor belt, friction is the force that opposes the motion of the box and is caused by the contact between the box and the surface of the conveyor belt.

3. How does friction affect the movement of a box on a conveyor belt?

Friction can either help or hinder the movement of a box on a conveyor belt, depending on the direction of the force. If the force is in the same direction as the motion of the box, it can help to move the box along the belt. However, if the force is in the opposite direction, it can slow down or stop the box from moving.

4. How can friction be reduced in a box on a conveyor belt?

There are a few ways to reduce friction in a box on a conveyor belt. One way is to use a lubricant, such as oil or grease, on the surface of the belt to reduce the amount of contact between the box and the belt. Another way is to use materials with low coefficients of friction, such as plastic or Teflon, for the surface of the conveyor belt.

5. Why is friction important in a box on a conveyor belt?

Friction is important in a box on a conveyor belt because it helps to keep the box in place and prevents it from slipping or sliding off the belt. It also allows for controlled movement of the box along the conveyor and can be adjusted to control the speed and direction of the box. Additionally, friction plays a crucial role in the efficiency and functionality of the entire conveyor system.

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