Is the Universe Expanding or Has it Already Expanded?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe's expansion, specifically whether it is currently expanding or if it has already expanded. Participants explore concepts related to the rate of expansion, redshift observations, and the implications of these measurements over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the phrase "the universe WAS expanding" may be more accurate due to observations of redshift in older galaxies.
  • Others argue that the universe is still expanding, raising questions about whether the speed of expansion is slowing or accelerating.
  • One participant claims that the expansion is increasing at an exponential rate, potentially faster than the speed of light.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of redshift as a measure of past expansion, with some asserting that it indicates the universe was expanding in the past.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that the speed of expansion could exceed the speed of light due to the nature of the universe's expansion, while measurements are based on galaxies that may no longer exist.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the mathematical modeling of expansion, specifically the scale factor and its time derivative, which some participants find challenging to understand.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliance on models derived from redshift data and the interpretation of "speed of expansion" versus "rate of expansion."
  • Participants note that what is measured is the amount of expansion that occurred between the emission of light and its reception, suggesting that redshift reflects past expansion rather than current conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the universe is currently expanding or if it has already expanded, with no consensus reached on the nature of the expansion's speed or acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding due to the complexity of mathematical models and the interpretation of observational data. There is an acknowledgment of the dependence on definitions and the challenges in conveying technical concepts clearly.

  • #91
Thanks George. (Kinda understand and just the info I was looking for.)

Regards,

Noel.
 
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  • #92
De Broglie equation has experimentally confirmed.Why we have to reject the hypothesis photon have a mass instead of the possibility being wrong the relativistic formula for energy?
 
  • #94
GeorgeDishman said:
No. The simplest way to think of a photons is as a short burst of waves encapsulated in a form that can only interact as if it was a particle, i.e. all or nothing. It's equivalent to thinking of it as a particle which has an intrinsic phase which changes at a rate given by its angular frequency.
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George,I read your posts.Can you explain to me what an elegtromagnetic pulse is? Because I thought that is a wave with only one peak represents a big quantity of photons.
 
  • #97
harve said:
Doppler effect appears in waves produced by oscillators witch have “peaks” and “hollows”. These peaks can be condensed or diluted by the Doppler effect. In the light case, a peak represents an amount of photons
No. The simplest way to think of a photons is as a short burst of waves encapsulated in a form that can only interact as if it was a particle, i.e. all or nothing. It's equivalent to thinking of it as a particle which has an intrinsic phase which changes at a rate given by its angular frequency.
George,I read your posts.Can you explain to me what an electromagnetic pulse is? Because I thought that is a wave with only one peak represents a big quantity of photons.

I've added some context as the quotes are quite old.

A single pulse has a DC component so can't be a simply EM signal in space say. If it was a switched DC signal on a wire, you'd have to look at the components of the Poynting Vector and it all gets complicated, however I understand what you are asking. You can consider instead a rectangular wave with narrow, widely separated pulses and zero average value.

A square pulse is the sum of many sine waves, you can get the pattern by taking a Fourier Transform. For a regular series of pulses there are discrete harmonics while for a single pulse you get a continuous spectrum. Either way, you can then break down each sine wave into numbers of photons by dividing the portion of the pulse energy in that frequency by the energy of a single photon. As you say, ultimately you will get a burst of photons but of a mixture of frequencies. Again, each photon can be thought of as a burst of waves and they overlap to create the macroscopic, measurable, sine wave.

That's very different to what the O.P. was saying, that "a peak [of a sine wave] represents an amount of photons".
 

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