Is the US Presidential Election Fair to Retirees?

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The discussion revolves around the fairness of the US Presidential Election to retirees, with participants sharing their voting preferences and opinions on candidates, particularly George W. Bush and John Kerry. The conversation touches on political ideologies, voter motivations, and perceptions of party platforms, reflecting a mix of personal views and broader political commentary.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express their voting preferences, with a mix of support for Bush and Kerry.
  • There are claims that the forum leans left, with some arguing that well-informed members are likely to vote against Bush.
  • Participants discuss the implications of voting for the "lesser of two evils," with differing views on whether this is a valid strategy.
  • Concerns are raised about Bush's fiscal policies and their alignment with traditional conservative values.
  • Some participants question the motivations behind voting for Bush, suggesting that wealth and social status influence voter decisions.
  • There are critiques of Democratic policies, particularly regarding affirmative action, healthcare, and education, with participants articulating their opposition to certain Democratic ideals.
  • Disagreement exists over the interpretation of "equal rights" and the implications of national healthcare proposals.
  • Participants express frustration over perceived dishonesty regarding the costs associated with the Medicare plan.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the candidates, their policies, and the motivations behind voter preferences. The discussion reflects a range of opinions and critiques without resolution.

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Participants reference various political ideologies and personal beliefs, indicating that their positions are influenced by individual experiences and interpretations of political events. There are unresolved questions about the implications of certain policies and the motivations of voters.

who are you voting for?

  • Bush

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Kerry

    Votes: 20 60.6%
  • Nader

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • megashawn

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • Total voters
    33
  • #31
russ_watters said:
Sicne this thread is back from the dead: Shame on your grandmothers for not saving for their retirement (mine did) and shame on you for forcing others to pay for their mistakes.
What kind of logic is that? grandmothers pay into social security, and then they reap the rewards so long as neo-con-men haven't looted the savings for profit. No others pay for their mistakes, that's simply wrong.
 
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schwarzchildradius said:
What kind of logic is that? grandmothers pay into social security, and then they reap the rewards so long as neo-con-men haven't looted the savings for profit. No others pay for their mistakes, that's simply wrong.
Great - we pay them back what they put in then: and not a penny more. Better? That way, I get to use the rest of my money to invest for my future. I realize its unreasonable to expect people stop stealing all of my money that they are stealing - how about just reduce how much they are taking?

I pay more than 15% of my income into a system that will return me a tiny fraction of what I could have gotten from that 15% on my own. Who is responsible for that discrepancy?

Or how about this: do you agree that its a good idea to save for retirement? Do you agree that its a mistake not to? Do you agree that SS exists to pay for the retirement of people who wouldn't otherwise save for themselves? Do you see the direct linear line of logic there?

Maybe this weekend I'll do a little math for you guys. It appears that you just plain don't see that the amount of money you are losing on this deal is enormous.
 
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