The 2012 presidential election poll

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the 2012 presidential election, focusing on candidates, their perceived strengths and weaknesses, and the influence of Super PACs on the election process. Participants express their preferences, concerns about campaign financing, and the dynamics within the political parties.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express support for Obama, citing him as the least offensive option compared to other candidates.
  • Others argue that while Obama has shortcomings, he may still be preferable to GOP candidates, particularly highlighting Huntsman as a potential exception.
  • Concerns are raised about the role of Super PACs in elections, with some participants criticizing their influence and the lack of transparency in campaign financing.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of Obama in office, with some attributing his limited achievements to congressional dynamics rather than his leadership alone.
  • Participants note the challenges of achieving Democratic unity in Congress, contrasting it with the Republican party's ability to maintain party discipline.
  • Some participants express a desire for new candidates to enter the race, reflecting dissatisfaction with the current Republican field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on their preferred candidates or the effectiveness of the current political system. Multiple competing views remain regarding the candidates' abilities and the impact of Super PACs.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexities of campaign financing and the political landscape, noting that the effectiveness of candidates may depend on various factors, including party dynamics and voter sentiment.

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  • Obama

    Votes: 30 55.6%
  • Romney

    Votes: 17 31.5%
  • Santorum

    Votes: 6 11.1%
  • Gingrich

    Votes: 10 18.5%
  • Perry

    Votes: 4 7.4%
  • Paul

    Votes: 21 38.9%
  • Huntsman

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .
  • #31
If the GOP nominates Newt, it will be a huge gift to Obama, IMO.

How many women will pull the lever for a serial philanderer, knowing that they could be putting a plastic-looking home-wrecker with screwed-on hair in the WH as First Lady? At some point, even evangelicals might have to look beyond the "no abortion" bar they set and judge the moral character and trustworthiness of the candidates.
 
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  • #32
turbo said:
How many women will pull the lever for a serial philanderer, knowing that they could be putting a plastic-looking home-wrecker with screwed-on hair in the WH as First Lady?

It's more than just women who are disgusted by him. I will never understand how it's acceptable for someone to go around preaching about religious moral values but be a total dirtbag in their own personal life. Drives me crazy and I'm sure it just gives the groups he claims to represent bad names.
 
  • #33
Obama is the "least of evils" this time around.

What a sad Republican line up; that must be embarrassing for most republicans to have these people representing their party. The republican identity seems to have changed a lot since I was born.
 
  • #34
I heard a crack team of republican scientists is work diligently on figuring out how to clone Ronald Reagan.
 
  • #35
edward said:
I really do not approve of what the Super Pacs can do. And they can do it with or without a candidates permission. The Supreme Court in my opinion has created a nuclear mud slinger. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...229super-pacs-devastate-gingrich-ratings.html

The supreme court is one of the things the founding fathers screwed up almost completely. Political appointments to the most powerful position in the country next to the president? Only 9 justices that perpetually vote 5-4 on party lines? One person on the supreme court holds too much power with a tie breaking vote in the majority of decisions.

The supreme court should be representative of the population and should be chosen by their peers, not politicians. If this had happened sooner we wouldn't have so many really bad decisions like super pacs, equating corporations with people and many others that regular people know are wrong.
 
  • #36
Topher925 said:
I heard a crack team of republican scientists is work diligently on figuring out how to clone Ronald Reagan.

Reagan was VASTLY overrated, a joke to anyone with intelligence.
 
  • #37
Evo said:
But Christy is a whale. I can't imagine him being electable just due to his appearance, IMO.

This is a sad but true comment on the electorate.

As far as a "fresh" candidate, it is possible for Romney, Newt and Paul to split the delegates and deadlock the convention. They would all be so "beat up" by the process that the convention could draft someone else: Condy Rice, Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush?

Skippy

PS Maybe Christie should try Nutri-System!
 
  • #40
moejoe15 said:
Reagan was VASTLY overrated ...
Not by me. Either wrt his acting or administrative abilities.

moejoe15 said:
... a joke to anyone with intelligence.
Perhaps, but imho he was an inspiring figure to McCarthyites and jelly beanists.
 

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