Is there a benefit to looking like a body builder?

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The discussion revolves around perceptions of bodybuilding, particularly the extremes of female and male bodybuilders, and the implications of steroid use. Participants express mixed feelings about the aesthetics of bodybuilders, with some finding extreme muscle mass unattractive or "freakish," while others appreciate the dedication and hard work involved. The conversation touches on the potential psychological issues related to bodybuilding, such as muscular dysmorphia, likening it to anorexia in terms of body image dissatisfaction. There are debates about the ethics of steroid use, with some arguing that it undermines the integrity of the sport, while others acknowledge the hard work behind achieving such physiques, regardless of drug use. The thread also highlights a generational shift in bodybuilding standards, contrasting past champions with current competitors, who often appear excessively large and less proportionate. Overall, the dialogue reflects a complex mix of admiration, criticism, and concern regarding the culture of bodybuilding and its physical and psychological impacts.
  • #51
She Is A Kleinfelter Female On Steroids

Yow! She Is A KLINEFELTER Female On Steroids
 
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so one more pic i got...and now what do you think!
 

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  • #53
I don't think it's the same person.

- Warren
 
  • #54
yeah it seems ...but truly its the same person..
 
  • #55
The second one looks like a woman...

So which is it?
 
  • #56
here it goes...so guys who told it's a Woman...are correct...!:smile:

what can i say...
Brain + Beauty + muscles:biggrin:
 

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  • #57
Physics_wiz said:
what the heck. I thought girls/women like big muscles.

Try one from about 30 years ago

fz22.jpg
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Frank Zane, complete with beach, spring, corset(?), and a woman to hold your surfboard.

Or one from 60 some years ago

jg143.jpg


John Grimek who had the beach but couldn't afford the girl or even a bench.

These are from http://mrolympia.altervista.org/ Sadly it's an alphabetical list and not roughly chronological, but browsing through you can see how the Mr. Olympias have changed. Zane was one of the last reasonably sized one, he was under 200lbs and in the 5'9" range. Not at all monstrous like they seem to encourage today.
 
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  • #58
See Shmoe, those guys look muchhhhhhhhh better. Frank Zane actually looks very good and well proportioned.
 
  • #59
Too bad that girl with Frank Zane is old now. :(
 
  • #60
cyrusabdollahi said:
See Shmoe, those guys look muchhhhhhhhh better. Frank Zane actually looks very good and well proportioned.

You say that now until you see Zane in competition form.

Jay Cutler has never won Mr. Olympia. Ronnie Coleman has been winning them lately because he is well proportioned and quite symmetrical too. He's obviously very big, but Jay Cutler is currently bigger I believe.

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc227.jpg
 
  • #61
Ronnie Coleman is another freakshow...
 
  • #62
cyrusabdollahi said:
Ronnie Coleman is another freakshow...

In the end, I don't find it surprising that he doesn't get girls.

Note: I'm assuming that. I know he's not married and does not have a girlfriend as of now. Cutler is married though. She's in the video spotting Cutler.
 
  • #63
At least arnold did not look like a junky...

http://www.zegatao.muscle.nom.br/varios/ronnie%20coleman(2002),%20arnold%20schwarzenegger(1975).jpg

Look at his legs, they are about to explode and leak out creatine and steorids...
 
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  • #64
cyrusabdollahi said:
See Shmoe, those guys look muchhhhhhhhh better. Frank Zane actually looks very good and well proportioned.

You don't have to tell me that! In competition shape, he looks a little scarier, but nothing like the pros these days. I think he'd often compete at 185-190 lbs or so, which is really not *that* big for his height. Pros these days can't do http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz110.jpg" with their bloated bellies.

It was a different time 30 some years ago. Men could be men, their manliness wouldn't be questioned if they did a photo shoot frolicking with another greased up chum wearing nothing but a sock and a bit of string to protect their wedding tackle from the sun's harsh rays (http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/scott/ls111.jpg" .
 
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  • #65
JasonRox said:
In the end, I don't find it surprising that he doesn't get girls.

Note: I'm assuming that. I know he's not married and does not have a girlfriend as of now. Cutler is married though. She's in the video spotting Cutler.

He's apparently married to Vickie Gates http://www.bodybuilders.com/gates.htm
 
  • #66
shmoe said:
He's apparently married to Vickie Gates http://www.bodybuilders.com/gates.htm

Just like the Ugly attracts Ugly theory and we now have Freak attracts Freak theory. :biggrin:

Yeah, I've seen some nasty GH guts before. Freaking gross. (Talking about how pros can't suck in their gut.)
 
  • #67
Cyrusabdollahi, this man ran 350 miles nonstop.

http://runtrails.blogspot.com/2005/10/karnazes-completes-350-mile-run.html

Do you consider him a freak too because he pushed himself past what most humans are typically capable of?

As a side note, no pro bodybuilder comes close to Ronnie Coleman's size or strength. Jay Cutler is a bit more aesthetic, which is why some people prefer his look over Coleman's.
 
  • #68
JasonRox said:
Just like the Ugly attracts Ugly theory and we now have Freak attracts Freak theory. :biggrin:

Yeah, I've seen some nasty GH guts before. Freaking gross. (Talking about how pros can't suck in their gut.)


It's the GH combined with insulin, and eating 6000+ calories a day. I feel bloated from eating 3-4000 calories-- imagine how their stomaches feel?
 
  • #70
heman said:
yeah it seems ...but truly its the same person..
Ok Ok now I got it why you didn't tell us the truth about your gender. So please stop posting those pics... :-p
 
  • #71
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Lisa! said:
Ok Ok now I got it why you didn't tell us the truth about your gender. So please stop posting those pics... :-p

he he...thats so interesting..:smile: :smile:

i don't know what to say to you ...you know why??

because i posted my pic in pics thread and you saw it and even passed some comment...so aren't you sure about what your eyes see??:biggrin: :biggrin:
 
  • #72
I wonder if these body builders who keep going for bigger and bigger, no matter how many drugs they need to pump into their bodies to accomplish it, and no matter how bloated and misshapen they look to the rest of us, have a form of body dysmorphic disorder similar to anorexics or bulemics. Different endpoints, but similar dissatisfaction with their bodies...something is always too big, too small, not quite to their liking. What's really the difference between looking at your body and thinking you need more laxatives or looking at your body and thinking you need more steroids or growth hormone?
 
  • #73
heman said:
:biggrin:

he he...thats so interesting..:smile: :smile:

i don't know what to say to you ...you know why??

because i posted my pic in pics thread and you saw it and even passed some comment...so aren't you sure about what your eyes see??:biggrin: :biggrin:
But that was only your face!:wink:
 
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:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

if you want some other body part pics i can send you privately!
 
  • #75
heman said:
:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

if you want some other body part pics i can send you privately!
:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

No thanks! I guess males around here would be happier to have them.:-p
 
  • #77
Beeza said:
Cyrusabdollahi, this man ran 350 miles nonstop.

http://runtrails.blogspot.com/2005/10/karnazes-completes-350-mile-run.html

Do you consider him a freak too because he pushed himself past what most humans are typically capable of?

As a side note, no pro bodybuilder comes close to Ronnie Coleman's size or strength. Jay Cutler is a bit more aesthetic, which is why some people prefer his look over Coleman's.

What does running have to do with looking like a freak??
 
  • #78
cyrusabdollahi said:
What does running have to do with looking like a freak??

Nothing really, I just thought I'd ask what you thought of someone else in a different hobby that pushes himself to the extreme. I don't look at the bodybuilders as freaks, but people that push themselves to the extreme.
 
  • #79
Moonbear said:
I wonder if these body builders who keep going for bigger and bigger, no matter how many drugs they need to pump into their bodies to accomplish it, and no matter how bloated and misshapen they look to the rest of us, have a form of body dysmorphic disorder similar to anorexics or bulemics. Different endpoints, but similar dissatisfaction with their bodies...something is always too big, too small, not quite to their liking. What's really the difference between looking at your body and thinking you need more laxatives or looking at your body and thinking you need more steroids or growth hormone?

I believe psychologists dubbed it "reverse anorexia" or something like that. I'll admit that I might have it mildly, but never to the point of risking my health with drugs like those guys do.
 
  • #80
Moonbear said:
I wonder if these body builders who keep going for bigger and bigger, no matter how many drugs they need to pump into their bodies to accomplish it, and no matter how bloated and misshapen they look to the rest of us, have a form of body dysmorphic disorder similar to anorexics or bulemics. Different endpoints, but similar dissatisfaction with their bodies...something is always too big, too small, not quite to their liking. What's really the difference between looking at your body and thinking you need more laxatives or looking at your body and thinking you need more steroids or growth hormone?

Have you heard of Muscular Dysmorphia that was mentioned earlier? aka "Bigorexia"? It's pretty similar to the usual anorexia from what I know.

I wonder how common it is amongst professional bodybuilders. They do subject themselves to side-by-side comparisons often enough that when they say "I'm not big enough" they have less subjective critera than your typical person, ie. person A placed higher than me and was larger than me, I need to get larger to compete with them as this is what the judges are looking for. I'm not sure that kind of reasoning will qualify for a disorder. I wouldn't at all doubt that some (or even most) have problems like this though, but there are probably perfectly healthy ones as well.
 
  • #81
There are some really stupid bodybuilders that have some serious ego issues around. Nobody can absolutely deny this because I doubt they have met every single bodybuilder in the world. But I agree with Beeza...the majority are really cool and will pass friendly advice to anyone that wants it.

Oh and for those of you who truly want to see a complete idiot with no clue on bodybuilding check this guy out:

http://greggvalentino.net/images/pictures/posefront.jpg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/gregvalentinobig.jpg

This guy admits to being a complete twat though. I'm talking about his view on the way he behaved not his view on his arms (he obviously wouldn't criticize this because it is what he set out to do).

Say what you will about Arnold Schwarzenegger (freak or not) he had the perfectly sculpted body and it didn't look ridiculous. Franco Columbo was also a well-proportioned and non-freakish looking bodybuilder. The new age of bodybuilders are beyond huge and as a result the bodies look worse.

Technically bodybuilders can get sort of close to that muscle mass naturally, but not only would it cost way too much, but I think they'd want to shoot themselves if they had to do it naturally. Imagine the amount you'd have to eat a day. You'd have little time for fitting in your workout routine and you'd just feel like ****. That food would just cost way too much...especially for an aspiring bodybuilder. That, on top of the fact that it would take much longer to put on lean muscle mass is the reason why people resort to steroids. Also by taking steroids and creatine you can push your body through a lot more than you could normally (stating the obvious). In fact you can fit in two intense workout sessions in one day.

I'd love to see Dorian Yates or Jay Cutler running on the treadmill though :).
 
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  • #82
Greg Valentino is a complete idiot. His arms are mostly synthol-- an injectible oil that will appear to make your muscles bigger. His arms got infected awhile ago and "exploded". Hes lucky his liver didnt explode as the liver eventually has to process all that nasty synthol too.
 
  • #83
They had a whole special about bodybuilding and this guy was in it. He was doing tons of steroids. Left his wife and hooked up with some coke head prostitute. He was dealing steroids big time and got arrested and put in jail. He would reuse his needles and drop them on the floor and just wipe them off. He got a big infection and poured out 2 jars of blood. He even video taped it and shows it to his buddies in the gym. He had to go to the hospital and almost lost his arm. The guy is just the epitome of STUPID.
 
  • #84
An interview with Valentino:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=211hate

There's a picture of him at 20 'pre-drugs' that's believable, and one of him with very huge arms that's supposedly pre-drug also which is less believable, but still possible I suppose. It's not hard to imagine that he would need to naturally have big arms in order to make this freakishness possible with drugs.
 
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  • #85
Too bad, he looked really good back in the day...

211greg-young.jpg


Doesnt even look like the same person anymore. Even his face is bloated.
 
  • #86
Physics_wiz said:
what the heck. I thought girls/women like big muscles.
:bugeye:

Ah that doesn't look beautiful at all. And you know no other man dares to look at you if you'd have such a guy with you.:rolleyes:
 
  • #87
Lisa! said:
:bugeye:

Ah that doesn't look beautiful at all. And you know no other man dares to look at you if you'd have such a guy with you.:rolleyes:

they won't look at you but they will think about you...so in a way you will be centre of attention..:biggrin:
 
  • #88
big man said:
Also by taking steroids and creatine you can push your body through a lot more...

Creatine?

Come on guys. Creatine doesn't even touch the hormones. It does so little if anything at all. I wouldn't call that a muscle enhancement whatsoever.
 
  • #89
No creatine isn't a muscle enhancement at all. It's a supplement that helps you to recover a lot quicker because it provides necessary energy to the muscles. I just said that if you used it in conjunction with steroids it is very effective.

Creatine does make a ****load of difference (unless you were still referring to its affect on hormones).
 
  • #90
Creatine is a combination of 3 amino acids that increaes your ATP stores, which in turn will allow people to train harder and longer. It will also hydrate your muscle cells, which also increases protein synthesis.
 
  • #91
cyrusabdollahi said:
Too bad, he looked really good back in the day...

211greg-young.jpg


Doesnt even look like the same person anymore. Even his face is bloated.
I agree. While I still don't find that look attractive (I'd like to see a little fat softening the rough edges, but that's just my taste), in that photo, he looks proportional and, well, human. When body builders looked like that, I could at least understand why people would choose to go for that look and why some would be attracted to it. In his more recent photos, he looks just plain grotesque. There's no overall plan, no attention to accentuating natural appearance, but distorting and bloating one's shape to something completely unnatural.

I also cannot get past the idea that someone who is spending as much time as they must to get their body to look like that must be completely obsessed or self-absorbed. I prefer a more natural muscular look, the kind you get from doing hard, manual labor.
 

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