Is there a benefit to looking like a body builder?

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The discussion revolves around perceptions of bodybuilding, particularly the extremes of female and male bodybuilders, and the implications of steroid use. Participants express mixed feelings about the aesthetics of bodybuilders, with some finding extreme muscle mass unattractive or "freakish," while others appreciate the dedication and hard work involved. The conversation touches on the potential psychological issues related to bodybuilding, such as muscular dysmorphia, likening it to anorexia in terms of body image dissatisfaction. There are debates about the ethics of steroid use, with some arguing that it undermines the integrity of the sport, while others acknowledge the hard work behind achieving such physiques, regardless of drug use. The thread also highlights a generational shift in bodybuilding standards, contrasting past champions with current competitors, who often appear excessively large and less proportionate. Overall, the dialogue reflects a complex mix of admiration, criticism, and concern regarding the culture of bodybuilding and its physical and psychological impacts.
  • #31
cyrusabdollahi said:
Someone who takes steroids and feels the need to look circusly big has issues.

Why? You know it's his livelyhood right? He is a professional bodybuilder.

Now I don't personally think it looks good, nor do I agree with the amount of drugs these guys probably have to take, but I think assuming he has some kind of ego problem is unfounded. Do you have something substantial to back this claim up with? Some interviews or something? I can't say I'm really familiar with him, so maybe he does have issues, I couldn't say one way or the other.
 
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  • #32
:smile: Professional meathead counts as a livelyhood? He should get a real job instead of waxing his butt and wearing speedos. He probably stuffs them anyways because the roids shrunk his balls to the size of a pea.

Its quite simple actually, no one is that big. PERIOD. The only way you get to be as big as him is with taking lots and LOTS of drugs. I work out at the gym. I've seen all too many guys like him taking drugs and suddenly getting big. Sure, there nice guys, but at the same time they have no sense and need to be big to feel good about themselves.

Find a picture of a guy who bodybuilds all natural. He will be much smaller, and look much better. He will be proportional. These guys are idiots. I hope they can still walk after they have their stroke...:rolleyes:
 
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  • #33
cyrusabdollahi said:
:smile: Professional meathead counts as a livelyhood? He should get a real job instead of waxing his butt and wearing speedos. He probably stuffs them anyways because the roids shrunk his balls to the size of a pea.

Its quite simple actually, no one is that big. PERIOD. The only way you get to be as big as him is with taking lots and LOTS of drugs. I work out at the gym. I've seen all too many guys like him taking drugs and suddenly getting big. Sure, there nice guys, but at the same time they have no sense and need to be big to feel good about themselves.

Find a picture of a guy who bodybuilds all natural. He will be much smaller, and look much better. He will be proportional. These guys are idiots. I hope they can still walk after they have their stroke.

After this thread cyrus, I think you have more personal problems than Jay Cutler.

You'd never hear this guy talking about nerds with no lives on PF. Why? Because he's knows better than that.

Note: Obviously he took drugs, but he's not only taking drugs. Not anyone can take steroids and look like that. It takes a hell of a lot of hard work with good genetics too.
 
  • #34
That's great, he's still a steroid using freak who needs help. :wink:

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Speaks for itself. Taking drugs sure is hard work Jason. You know, when it gives you unrealistic strength and stamina...woof...

I don't have personal problems, I've seen too many guys like this at the gym with my own eyes. They are pathetic people.

I hope you doint juice when you workout dude...
 
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  • #35
I figured someone as well respected as you on these boards wouldn't have such an ignorant opinion. Taking steroids doesn't put the muscle on for you-- as you still have to bust your ass in the gym. Sure, they can accelerate gains etc, but most of those guys were already huge before they started using and had been working out for a very long time.

Have you ever even been to a bodybuilding show? Competed? Do you know what its like to diet for 12-16 weeks all the way down to less than 5% bodyfat? They have more heart than 90% of the people out there. Also, besides a few exceptions, most of them are great people and more than willing to help out and give advice at shows.

cyrusabdollahi said:
That's great, he's still a steroid using freak who needs help. :wink:

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Speaks for itself. Taking drugs sure is hard work Jason. You know, when it gives you unrealistic strength and stamina...woof...

I don't have personal problems, I've seen too many guys like this at the gym with my own eyes. They are pathetic people.

I hope you doint juice when you workout dude...
 
  • #36
Man, I have no respect for those steroid using bodybuilders. Sorry, I just dont.

Thats like me praising a scientist that cheated to get his award. Ant going to happen.

I already said that they are nice people. But that does not make it any better!
 
  • #37
cyrusabdollahi said:
Man, I have no respect for those steroid using bodybuilders. Sorry, I just dont.

Thats like me praising a scientist that cheated to get his award. Ant going to happen.

I already said that they are nice people. But that does not make it any better!

No, I do not take steroids and I never intend too.

It's not cheating because he's at a no testing level of bodybuilding. There are natural bodybuilding competitions, which he has won in the past.

You can't compare this to a scientist either. It makes no sense because they are completely different. The analogy doesn't even relate.

Anyways, your critical attitudes towards bigger guys at the gym clearly displays that you have personal issues to deal with. It's totally obvious in this thread.
 
  • #38
JasonRox said:
No, I do not take steroids and I never intend too.

Well, three cheers for that. I am glad you won't stoop to that level. I've seen one to many a people do it. :frown:

It's not cheating because he's at a no testing level of bodybuilding. There are natural bodybuilding competitions, which he has won in the past.

Like I said, good for all natural. But now he's a junky using freakezoid. Just look at him man!

You can't compare this to a scientist either. It makes no sense because they are completely different. The analogy doesn't even relate.

The point is, he has gone way beyond what a normal body should hold on its frame. He looks like a retarded meathead.

Anyways, your critical attitudes towards bigger guys at the gym clearly displays that you have personal issues to deal with. It's totally obvious in this thread.

I said they are nice people, but they are dumbasses for taking roids to get as big as they are.

Your body just isint made to pump that much blood throughout it. He will get a heart attack, its just a matter of how far in the future.
 
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  • #39
cyrusabdollahi said:
Your body just isint made to pump that much blood throughout your body. He will get a heart attack, its just a matter of how far in the future.

Not the best choice, but neither is playing hockey for a living.

Both professions finish their careers with their own share of physical problems. Meanwhile both could have gone to school and get a better job, but making less money.

Personally, I'd rather make less money.

Also, it isn't about money either. It's usually for the love of it.
 
  • #40
Dude, I love to workout and exercise too. But this guy is a clown!

When you bodybuild naturally and you become big that's great.

But when you feel like you need to get this freakishly big, you have problems. He might have Muscle Dysmorphia. Who in their right mind would want to become a freak of nature like that?
 
  • #41
cyrusabdollahi said:
But when you feel like you need to get this freakishly big, you have problems. He might have Muscle Dysmorphia. Who in their right mind would want to become a freak of nature like that?

I have no idea.

But who in there right mind would study science day in and day out? That's the same question he can ask us.

We have our issues, but I don't think he suffers anything psychologically regarding his size. Arnold Schwarznegger (spelling?) seems pretty good to me. You never hear about him obessing about his size and he was quite large in the past. So, if he had Muscle Dysmorphia, wouldn't he still display that disorder?
 
  • #42
JasonRox said:
I have no idea.

But who in there right mind would study science day in and day out? That's the same question he can ask us.

Well, we are trying to advance society by making meaningful contributions. This guy is a mere freakshow for people to spectate and point at.

Arnold Schwarznegger (spelling?) seems pretty good to me. You never hear about him obessing about his size and he was quite large in the past. So, if he had Muscle Dysmorphia, wouldn't he still display that disorder?

Dude, have you see arnold next to these guys? He's TINY! Arnold was no where near as big as these freaks are today!
 
  • #43
cyrusabdollahi said:
He might have Muscle Dysmorphia.

He also might not have Muscle Dysmorphia.

cyrusabdollahi said:
Who in their right mind would want to become a freak of nature like that?

Dunno, who in their right mind would want to pierce their nipples or nose? One persons freakish might be anothers idea of awesome. It doesn't mean that there's something mentally wrong with the person you (or even the majority of people) consider "freakish". He may even consider himself freakish, but enjoys entertaining his fans and is willing to make this sacrifice.

cyrusabdollahi said:
Well, we are trying to advance society by making meaningful contributions. This guy is a mere freakshow for people to spectate and point at.

Is entertainment not considered a meaningful contribution?
 
  • #44
cyrusabdollahi said:
Dude, have you see arnold next to these guys? He's TINY! Arnold was no where near as big as these freaks are today!

Just because they are bigger doesn't mean they are at a higher risk of Muscle Dysmorphia. The was to show that there are lots of people getting big without that disorder.

It's almost as if you'd go to the gym running around yelling at girls, who are thin and working out, about how they may be suffering from mental disorders like anorexia because they want to be thin.
 
  • #45
JasonRox said:
Both professions finish their careers with their own share of physical problems. Meanwhile both could have gone to school and get a better job, but making less money.

In the case of a pro hockey player, probably much, much less money :-p. An NHLer will probably make more in their first 5-10 years then they would over an entire career of something else they are capable of. This is more a reflection on their high wages then their ability to do other jobs (many are very intelligent, and very hard working).

But yeah, love of the game. Even with broken bodies, I wonder how many pro hockey players keep playing after retirement, I'd expect most.
 
  • #46
shmoe said:
In the case of a pro hockey player, probably much, much less money :-p. An NHLer will probably make more in their first 5-10 years then they would over an entire career of something else they are capable of. This is more a reflection on their high wages then their ability to do other jobs (many are very intelligent, and very hard working).

But yeah, love of the game. Even with broken bodies, I wonder how many pro hockey players keep playing after retirement, I'd expect most.

They'd play casually, but that's about it. I doubt any of them would play rough after retiring.

A goalie on TSN once said that every NHL goalie retires with atleast one replaced knee cap, meanwhile both of his are artificial. Hockey players take a lot of damage to their bodies with great pain, meanwhile also always being away from family. I don't think I love the game that much to go through it though.
 
  • #47
Look at how much bigger he is than arnold...:bugeye:


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  • #48
cyrusabdollahi said:
Look at how much bigger he is than arnold...:bugeye:
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EWWWWWWWWW

EWWWWWWWWW

EWWWWWWWWW

That is so gross!
 
  • #49
Evo said:
EWWWWWWWWW

EWWWWWWWWW

EWWWWWWWWW

That is so gross!

what the heck. I thought girls/women like big muscles.
 
  • #50
Physics_wiz said:
what the heck. I thought girls/women like big muscles.
EWWWWW NO!

That's not muscle, that's a FREAK.
 
  • #51
She Is A Kleinfelter Female On Steroids

Yow! She Is A KLINEFELTER Female On Steroids
 
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  • #52
so one more pic i got...and now what do you think!
 

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  • #53
I don't think it's the same person.

- Warren
 
  • #54
yeah it seems ...but truly its the same person..
 
  • #55
The second one looks like a woman...

So which is it?
 
  • #56
here it goes...so guys who told it's a Woman...are correct...!:smile:

what can i say...
Brain + Beauty + muscles:biggrin:
 

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  • #57
Physics_wiz said:
what the heck. I thought girls/women like big muscles.

Try one from about 30 years ago

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Frank Zane, complete with beach, spring, corset(?), and a woman to hold your surfboard.

Or one from 60 some years ago

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John Grimek who had the beach but couldn't afford the girl or even a bench.

These are from http://mrolympia.altervista.org/ Sadly it's an alphabetical list and not roughly chronological, but browsing through you can see how the Mr. Olympias have changed. Zane was one of the last reasonably sized one, he was under 200lbs and in the 5'9" range. Not at all monstrous like they seem to encourage today.
 
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  • #58
See Shmoe, those guys look muchhhhhhhhh better. Frank Zane actually looks very good and well proportioned.
 
  • #59
Too bad that girl with Frank Zane is old now. :(
 
  • #60
cyrusabdollahi said:
See Shmoe, those guys look muchhhhhhhhh better. Frank Zane actually looks very good and well proportioned.

You say that now until you see Zane in competition form.

Jay Cutler has never won Mr. Olympia. Ronnie Coleman has been winning them lately because he is well proportioned and quite symmetrical too. He's obviously very big, but Jay Cutler is currently bigger I believe.

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc227.jpg
 

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