Is there a C^1 function that satisfies certain conditions?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a continuously differentiable function \( \phi \) that satisfies certain conditions related to a function \( f \) defined on \( \mathbb{R}^2 \). The original poster presents a scenario where \( f(x_0, y_0) = 0 \) and explores the implications of the inequality involving the partial derivatives of \( f \).

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the condition \( |\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}| \ge |\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}| \) and its relevance to the existence of a solution \( \phi \). There is an exploration of the differential equation derived from the implicit function theorem and the Peano existence theorem. Questions arise regarding the strictness of the inequality and the nature of solutions over \( \mathbb{R}^2 \).

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining different aspects of the problem, including the implications of the Peano existence theorem and the conditions necessary for a global solution. Some participants express uncertainty about the use of certain conditions and the existence of local versus global solutions.

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There is a noted concern regarding the strictness of the inequality and its impact on the ability to derive a solution. Additionally, the relevance of the condition \( f(x_0, y_0) = 0 \) is questioned in the context of the Peano theorem.

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Homework Statement


Let be ##f \in C^{1}(\mathbb{R}^{2}, \mathbb{R})## and ##(x_{0} , y_{0}) \in \mathbb{R}^{2} / f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0##. I suppose ##|\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}| \ge |\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}|(2)##.
I'm looking for ##\phi \in C^{1}(\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{R}) / \forall x \in \mathbb{R} f(x, \phi(x)) = 0## and ##\phi(x_{0}) = y_{0}##.

Homework Equations


##(x_{0} , y_{0}) \in \mathbb{R}^{2} / f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0##
##|\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}| \ge |\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}|##

The Attempt at a Solution



If a such solution exists we necssarly have ##\forall x \in \mathbb{R}, \phi'(x) \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(x, \phi(x)) + \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(x, \phi(x)) = 0 (1)##.
We can stated ##x \rightarrow (x, \phi(x))## is injective so if we look its image we perhaps make a variable changement in (1). But I don't think it's usefull.
And I don't see how the majoration (2) is usefull.
 
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Calabi said:

Homework Statement


Let be ##f \in C^{1}(\mathbb{R}^{2}, \mathbb{R})## and ##(x_{0} , y_{0}) \in \mathbb{R}^{2} / f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0##. I suppose ##|\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}| \ge |\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}|(2)##.
I'm looking for ##\phi \in C^{1}(\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{R}) / \forall x \in \mathbb{R} f(x, \phi(x)) = 0## and ##\phi(x_{0}) = y_{0}##.

Homework Equations


##(x_{0} , y_{0}) \in \mathbb{R}^{2} / f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0##
##|\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}| \ge |\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}|##

The Attempt at a Solution



If a such solution exists we necssarly have ##\forall x \in \mathbb{R}, \phi'(x) \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(x, \phi(x)) + \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(x, \phi(x)) = 0 (1)##.
We can stated ##x \rightarrow (x, \phi(x))## is injective so if we look its image we perhaps make a variable changement in (1). But I don't think it's usefull.
And I don't see how the majoration (2) is usefull.

It might not be "usefull", but it could be "useful". Anyway, if the inequality ##|f_y| >|f_x| \; \forall (x,y)## were strict (which your given one is not), then you would be allowed to divide by ##f_y##, and so get the differential equation
\phi'(x) = -F(x,\phi(x)), \; F(x,y) \equiv \frac{f_x(x,y)}{f_y(x,y)}
If you know some theorems about the existence and smoothness of solutions to differential equations, you could use those in this problem.

You would still need to worry about what happens if the inequality is not strict and there are points where ##f_x(x,y) = f_y(x,y) = 0##.

If you do not have access to theorems about differential equations, you would need another method.
 
Hello : indeed the inequality is trict my beg. So the equation is true.
Anyway I was thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_existence_theorem .
With the condition ##\phi(x_{0}) = y_{0}##. But the theorem give a local solution.
Not on ##\mathbb{R}^{2}##. And I don't use ##f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0##.
 
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Hello : indeed the inequality is trict my beg. So the equation is true.
Anyway I was thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_existence_theorem .
With the condition ##\phi(x_{0}) = y_{0}##. But the theorem give a local solution.
Not on ##\mathbb{R}^{2}##. And I don't use ##f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0##.

Yes, you do use ##f(x_0,y_0) = 0##; do you see where?
 
In the Azela Peano theorem you just look for condition on ##\phi##. So I don't see.
And I still have a local solution.
 
So is there a general way to solve ##\phi'(x) = F(x, \phi(x))## on all ##\mathbb{R}^{2}## please?
 
If ##g : x \rightarrow f(x, \phi(x)) ## is nul with ##\phi(x_{0}) = y_{0}## then we get the equation you wroght.
If we got the equation you wroght then g is constant and as ##\phi(x_{0}) = y_{0}## and ##f(x_{0}, y_{0}) = 0## then g is constant.
But I still have a local solution.
 

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