Is there a connection between the Higgs field and energy in Majorana framework?

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The discussion explores the relationship between the Higgs field and energy within the context of the Majorana framework, focusing on the mechanisms of mass generation for various particles and the nature of energy transfer in particle interactions. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, particle physics, and some conceptual clarifications.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the Higgs boson field gives particles mass, there may be a corresponding field responsible for energy, potentially an excited state of the Higgs.
  • Others clarify that the Higgs boson provides rest mass to some particles, but the equation E = mc² does not directly relate to this mass generation.
  • There is a discussion about which particles do not acquire their rest mass from the Higgs field vacuum expectation value (vev), with hadrons being noted as deriving most of their mass from the strong interaction.
  • Some participants mention that scalar particles, including the Higgs, may possess intrinsic masses not generated by the Higgs vev.
  • One participant questions the nature of energy transfer in collisions, suggesting that it may involve carrier particles or waves in fields.
  • There is a debate regarding the mass of the Higgs boson, with some asserting it is a free parameter in the Standard Model while others argue it derives mass through spontaneous symmetry breaking.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Majorana mass for neutrinos, suggesting that if neutrinos have a Majorana mass, it may originate from mechanisms outside the Higgs field.
  • One participant suggests that in the Majorana framework, right-handed neutrinos could couple to the Higgs field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of mass generation and the role of the Higgs field, with no consensus reached on several points, particularly regarding the mass of the Higgs boson and the nature of energy transfer in particle interactions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of mass and energy in the context of particle physics, as well as the implications of different mass generation mechanisms, particularly in relation to the Majorana framework.

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if the Higgs bosson field is responsible for giving particles mass. and mass and energy are interchangable e=mc^2. Then is there a field, like the higgs that is responsible for energy. maybe an exited state of the higgs?
 
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The Higgs boson gives SOME particles their REST mass. E = m c2 has nothing to do with it.
 
Which particles don't get their rest mass by Higgs field vev?
 
ChrisVer said:
Which particles don't get their rest mass by Higgs field vev?

Hadrons get 99% of their rest mass from the strong interaction, only 1% from Higgs.
 
ahh you mean bound states, OK... sorry I had in my mind that particles=elementary particles... (i.e quarks and leptons and the force mediators)
 
scalar particles including the higgs field itself may have intrinsic masses that are not created by a higgs vev.
 
Well, that is nice thing to say... :)
Higgs is the only scalar field (speaking about higgs yet it didn't come to my mind as a particle)
except for maybe particles coming from anomalously broken symmetries (eg axion? I am not sure because I haven't grasped the essence of anomalies)
 
so when a billiad ball smacks into another billiard ball and energy is transfured. what is actualy being transfured, some kind of carrier particle, a wave in a field or what?
 
How is this question going to help you??
Fundamentally-
In general what is transferred would be some surfacial atoms on the balls because of the inertia...
Also some virtual photons between the particles of the one ball and the other to get the momentum transfer, because every such process is electromagnetic...
Of course, classical mechanics is good enough for this...
 
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dauto said:
scalar particles including the higgs field itself may have intrinsic masses that are not created by a higgs vev.

Doesn't the Higgs boson itself derive mass from spontaneous symmetry breaking, and therefore would be with its interaction with the gauge fields? So one might say the gauge vector bosons acquire mass at the same time as the Higgs due to their interaction with one another.
 
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No it doesn't... the Higgs has its mass added by hand as a free parameter of the Standard Model, when you write down the potential...
 
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ChrisVer said:
Well, that is nice thing to say... :)
Higgs is the only scalar field (speaking about higgs yet it didn't come to my mind as a particle)
except for maybe particles coming from anomalously broken symmetries (eg axion? I am not sure because I haven't grasped the essence of anomalies)

Correction: The Higgs is the only scalar field experimentally confirmed so far.
 
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Matterwave said:
Doesn't the Higgs boson itself derive mass from spontaneous symmetry breaking, and therefore would be with its interaction with the gauge fields? So one might say the gauge vector bosons acquire mass at the same time as the Higgs due to their interaction with one another.

No, the Higgs field has a running mass which is positive at very high energies but becomes negative at lower energy. It is this flipping of the sign of the mass term in the Lagrangian that signals the electroweak symmetry breaking generating masses for the vector bosons and spinnor fields.
 
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ChrisVer said:
Which particles don't get their rest mass by Higgs field vev?
If neutrinos have a Majorana mass, this would come from elsewhere besides Higgs.
 
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I think in Majorana framework when you insert right handed neutrinos, there is indeed a coupling to the higgs field... (higgs*lepton)neutrino_R
 

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