Do additional Higgs fields also impart mass?

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The discussion revolves around the role of additional Higgs fields in theories such as the Minimal Supersymmetric Standard Model (MSSM) and their implications for particle mass generation, branching ratios, and lepton universality. Participants explore how these additional fields interact with various particles and the potential observable consequences of these interactions.

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  • Some participants inquire whether additional Higgs fields in MSSM also impart mass to particles and how this is determined.
  • It is noted that in MSSM, one Higgs field imparts mass to up-type quarks while another imparts mass to down-type quarks.
  • Questions are raised about whether the differences in Higgs fields would affect branching ratios and lepton universality.
  • Some participants argue that the branching ratios of different decays are used to derive limits on particle masses and coupling strengths.
  • A participant mentions that charged Higgses could explain deviations from Standard Model predictions observed in experiments, although these deviations are not yet considered definitive discoveries.
  • There are claims about the mass of the Higgs fields in MSSM, suggesting that one has a mass of 126 GeV and that the other may have a higher mass.
  • Disagreement arises regarding the implications of Higgs structure on lepton universality, with one participant asserting that it does not break lepton universality.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between the masses of up-type and down-type quarks and the mixing of vacuum expectation values (vevs).

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Participants express multiple competing views on the implications of additional Higgs fields in MSSM, particularly regarding their effects on mass generation, branching ratios, and lepton universality. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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Some statements rely on specific assumptions about the properties of Higgs fields and their interactions, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to experimental observations and theoretical predictions that are still under investigation.

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in theories such as SUSY and MSSM where there are 5 Higgs fields,

do the other higgs fields also impart mass?

and how exactly is it determined which of the additional higgs fields impart mass on which particles?

do the other higgs field impart mass on other higgs bosons?

wouldn't there be indirect evidence of these additional higgs fields such as on branching ratios?
 
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In MSSM one Higgs field imparts mass to up-type quarks and the other to down-type.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
In MSSM one Higgs field imparts mass to up-type quarks and the other to down-type.

would this change branching ratio, since the higgs are different than in the SM with just 1 higgs?

what about violating lepton universality?
 
the branching ratio of what?

in general the branching ratios of different decays are input to fits that are used to indirectly derive limits of those particle masses and coupling strengths.

As for the LFV, it depends...
 
ChrisVer said:
the branching ratio of what?

in general the branching ratios of different decays are input to fits that are used to indirectly derive limits of those particle masses and coupling strengths.

As for the LFV, it depends...

this

Vanadium 50 said:
In MSSM one Higgs field imparts mass to up-type quarks and the other to down-type.

lead to testable predictions
 
kodama said:
lead to testable predictions

Well it's not an unknown conclusion... the charged higgses for example have been tried to be used to describe the deviations from the SM predictions that the B-factories and LHCb have observed and lepton flavour violation (excesses of some flavour leptons to others). In particular they are used as additional Feynman Diagrams to consider... however these deviations are still not considered a discovery (or a SM failure) within the particle physics standards (not enough standard deviations)...

I am not an expert in MSSM so I won't try to fuse/combine what I said together with what V50 did.
 
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Kodama, I made a mistake in replying. I promised myself not to respond to your threads, because I don't like your habit of misrepresenting the results of other people's experiments. Especially mine. But since I have entered the tar pit...there's nothing about the Higgs structure of the MSSM that breaks lepton universality.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Kodama, I made a mistake in replying. I promised myself not to respond to your threads, because I don't like your habit of misrepresenting the results of other people's experiments. Especially mine. But since I have entered the tar pit...there's nothing about the Higgs structure of the MSSM that breaks lepton universality.

well think of all the other readers on this forum

Vanadium 50 said:
In MSSM one Higgs field imparts mass to up-type quarks and the other to down-type.

in the SM there is one higgs that couples and gives mass to both up-type quarks and the other to down-type, and the mass of this higgs is 126 gev.

in MSSM, one higgs field, with mass 126 gev couples to up-type quarks and a different higgs field couples to down type.
this different higgs presumably has a mass higher than 126 gev or else it would already be seen.

since this higgs field differ, wouldn't it lead to observable differences up-type quarks and the other to down-type over the standard model higgs couple to both?
 
kodama said:
in MSSM, one higgs field, with mass 126 gev couples to up-type quarks and a different higgs field couples to down type. this different higgs presumably has a mass higher than 126 gev or else it would already be seen.

False.

This is the other reason I promised myself to stop replying to you. Your method of learning of posting incorrect things, hoping to be corrected is a) lazy, b) inefficient, c) annoying to everyone else since it can't as easily just be ignored.

kodama said:
well think of all the other readers on this forum

If you really cared about all the other readers on the forum, you would change your own behavior. You would ask questions more than write false statements, and you'd stop misrepresenting what other people have done.
 
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I think that the masses of the up-type and down-type quark are different, but they depend on the way the two vevs are mixed (\tan \beta )... I am just not sure if this is part of the MSSM or not?
http://www.hephy.at/fileadmin/user_upload/Vortraege/thehiggssectorinthemssm_final.pdf
 

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