Is There a Consistent Way to Divide by Zero in Extended Real Number Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dividing by zero within various extended real number systems. Participants explore different mathematical frameworks that might allow for a consistent treatment of division by zero, including projective real numbers, hyperreal numbers, and surreal numbers. The scope includes theoretical exploration and potential applications of these systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the classification of their inquiry regarding division by zero in extended systems and seeks formal systems to reference.
  • Another participant suggests that the projective real numbers are commonly used and notes that division by zero remains undefined in the extended real numbers.
  • A participant mentions the desire for consistent bijective maps from reals to infinities and infinitesimals, prompting confusion from another participant regarding the clarity of this objective.
  • Hyperreal numbers are introduced as a potentially interesting system, with historical context provided about their development and relation to calculus.
  • Surreal numbers are also mentioned as another system that modifies or extends the real numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of familiarity and interest in different extended number systems, but there is no consensus on a consistent method for dividing by zero. Multiple competing views and systems are presented without resolution.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of the proposed number systems, particularly in relation to division by zero. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives without a clear agreement on the implications of these systems.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in advanced mathematical concepts, particularly those exploring extensions of the real number system and the implications of division by zero.

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I really don't know which section this should be posted in.

I spent some time yesterday dividing by zero in an extended system of real numbers. I haven't found any inconsistancies--yet.

Rather than reinvent the wheel, is there some formal system that I might read about?
 
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It's possible that you quite literally reinvented the wheel.

However, the projective real numbers are much more commonly used.

You probably did not rediscover the extended real numbers, because division by zero is still undefined there.

It's possible that you simply reinvented the polynomial, and just gave the variable a funny name (like "1/0").
 
Hurkyl said:
It's possible that you quite literally reinvented the wheel.

However, the projective real numbers are much more commonly used.

You probably did not rediscover the extended real numbers, because division by zero is still undefined there.

It's possible that you simply reinvented the polynomial, and just gave the variable a funny name (like "1/0").

Wonderful. I'll be looking those over.

I'm not so much interested in dividing by zero per se, but having a consistent pair of bijective maps. The first should map the reals to elements of infinities, and the second map reals to elements of infintesimals.

Other nice properties would be good to have as well, but that's primarily the objective.
 
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Phrak said:
The first should map the reals to elements of infinities, and the second map reals to elements of infintesimals.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
 
You might find the hyperreal numbers interesting. These got a bit of play back in the seventies when a mathematician named Robinson wrote a book about them. You might try googling for that, I think the text is online somewhere. The claim is that something very much like hyperreals are closer to what Newton had in mind when he developed fluxions. But calculus was put on a surer footing with reals, and the hyperreals idea (I don't think it was called that in those days) apparently didn't lead to more interesting results.

There was also some near nonsense that made some press a year or two ago, when a British school teacher introduced some kind of new notation for dividing by zero. I can't remember the details, but the hype was quite overblown for what was done.
 
This is almost an embarassment of riches. I had no idea there were so many systems that modify or extend the real numbers. There are also the hyperreal numbers.
 

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