Is there a criterion for the regularness of a curve?

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The discussion centers on the concept of regularness in parametrized curves within differential geometry. Participants explore the criteria for determining whether a parametrized curve can be reparametrized to be regular, as well as the implications of regularness on the existence of unit-velocity reparametrizations. The conversation touches on both theoretical aspects and practical applications, including connections to surfaces and level sets.

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  • Some participants propose that a parameterization is regular if the derivative of the parameterization never vanishes.
  • Others argue that piecewise smooth curves can admit regular parameterizations, as each smooth segment can be parameterized by arc length.
  • A participant emphasizes that it is the parameterization that is regular or not, not the curve itself.
  • Another participant clarifies that a curve is regular if its derivative is nowhere vanishing, and that the existence of a unit-velocity parameterization is a theorem rather than a characterization of regularness.
  • One participant suggests that if a curve is given as a level set of a function, the regularity of the curve can be determined by examining the derivative of that function.
  • Questions arise about whether the discussed concepts apply to curves in three dimensions and the possibility of finding functions whose level sets correspond to given parametrized curves.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of regularness, particularly regarding the role of parameterizations. There is no consensus on a definitive criterion for regularness, as multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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Some participants note that the discussion is limited by the definitions used and the assumptions about parameterizations. The relationship between regularness and the implicit function theorem is also highlighted, but not fully resolved.

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I've read the chapters on curves from two different books on diff. geometry and both say that if a curve is regular, then there exists a unit-velocity reparametrization. But regularness depends on the choice of parametrization. For instance, both the curves (t,t²) and (t³,t^6) are parametrization of the parabola y=x², but only the first is regular.

So I ask, is there a criterion to determine whether or not a parametrized curve admits a regular reparametrization?
 
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iirc, a parameterization is regular if the derivative of the parameterization never vanishes.

and, any piecewise smooth curve admits a regular parameterization. consider each smooth segment of a that piecewise smooth curve, then, obviously it must have some finite arc length at any point along the curve to the beginning or end. since it is smooth, this means it can be parameterized by arc length which is obviously regular.

the important distinction is that curves are not regular, it is their parameterizations which are (or are not) regular.

i don't know more since i never covered non-regular parameterizations in detail. as far as i can tell, they're fairly useless.

anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
what does iirc mean?
 
quasar987 said:
what does iirc mean?
If I Recall/Remember Correctly
 
quasar987 said:
I've read the chapters on curves from two different books on diff. geometry and both say that if a curve is regular, then there exists a unit-velocity reparametrization. But regularness depends on the choice of parametrization. For instance, both the curves (t,t²) and (t³,t^6) are parametrization of the parabola y=x², but only the first is regular.

So I ask, is there a criterion to determine whether or not a parametrized curve admits a regular reparametrization?
Note that your definition of "regular" was "there exist a parametrization". It is not the parametrization that is regular, it is the curve. The one curve given by both (t,t2) and (t3, t6) is regular because of the (t, t2) parametrization.
 
I did not include the definition of regularness in the OP. The definition used by both books was

A curve of parametrization [itex]\gamma[/itex] is regular if [itex]\dot{\gamma}[/itex] is nowhere vanishing.

The "then there exists a unit-velocity param." is a thm following from the definition. It is not a iff statement so the existence of a unit-velocity param. is not a caracterization of regularness either.

So I think my question remains unanswered. The reason I revived this thread is because I ran into a similar problem but in the topics of surfaces, which I made the subject of a disctinct thread.
 
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quasar987 said:
I did not include the definition of regularness in the OP. The definition used by both books was

A curve of parametrization [itex]\gamma[/itex] is regular if [itex]\dot{\gamma}[/itex] is nowhere vanishing.

The "then there exists a unit-velocity param." is a thm following from the definition. It is not a iff statement so the existence of a unit-velocity param. is not a caracterization of regularness either.

So I think my question remains unanswered. The reason I revived this thread is because I ran
into a similar problem but in the topics of surfaces, which I made the subject of a disctinct thread.
Well, if there is a parametrization [itex]\gamma[/itex], where [itex]\dot{\gamma}[/itex] nowhere vanishes, you can construct a new parametrization [itex]\beta:=\frac{\gamma}{\dot{\gamma}}[/itex]. As you can easily see, this parametrization has unit speed. In fact, you could make a parametrization with just any speed [itex]a\in\mathbb{R}, a\neq 0[/itex], by setting [itex]\alpha:=a\cdot \frac{\gamma}{\dot{\gamma}}[/itex]. Unit speed is just a choice of convenience, simplicity.

Now to your main question: Very often curves and surfaces are given as level sets of some function [itex]f[/itex]. Let [itex]C[/itex] be your curve, then this would mean that [itex]C=f^{-1}(c), c\in\mathbb{R}[/itex]. If now the derivative [itex]df(x)[/itex] is regular for all [itex]x\in C[/itex], then [itex]C[/itex] is said to be regular (Note that this is indeed the same thing as you stated).
The only thing left to determine now is whether [itex]df(x)[/itex] is regular or not. Do you know how to do that?

If you know the implicit function theorem you can see that [itex]df(x)[/itex] regular implies that there is a local parametrization of [itex]C[/itex] around some [itex]x\in C[/itex], for every [itex]x\in C[/itex]. Now you could try to patch things together.
Best regards...Cliowa

P.S.: If you don't know the implicit function theorem, you absolutely need to have a look at it, else you won't get far.
 
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Does this cover curves in 3D also? I.e. given any parametrized curve, can we find a function f(x,y,z) such that the level set f(x,y,z)=c is the curve?
 
quasar987 said:
Does this cover curves in 3D also? I.e. given any parametrized curve, can we find a function f(x,y,z) such that the level set f(x,y,z)=c is the curve?

This often actually is the more natural way of attacking a parametrization. Usually you won't have any parametrization, but simply a surface (surface in 2 dim=curve) expressed as a level set. Take for example things like an circle, ellipse, hyperbola, etc. There are quite nice parametrizations, but one very nice definition of an ellipse is a description as a level set (stating a relation which for all points must hold).
As you can see, this covers surfaces in n dimensions (finite!). But that's precisely the implicit function theorem.
 

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