Parametrizations and regular curves

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The discussion revolves around the proof of a theorem concerning parametrized curves, specifically focusing on the necessity and implications of a variable change in the context of establishing unit-speed reparametrization and regularity of curves. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind the proof, including the use of the chain rule and the properties of norms in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of the variable change in the proof, suggesting that the conclusion could be reached without it.
  • Others argue that the chain rule is essential for the proof, implying that the variable change is necessary for applying the chain rule correctly.
  • There is a discussion about the use of absolute value for |dt/ds|, with some participants noting that it relates to t being a single variable function.
  • One participant clarifies that dt/ds behaves as a scalar since it is a function of one variable, leading to a discussion about the norm properties of scalars and vectors.
  • Some participants assert that if a curve is not regular, no reparameterization can regularize it, and this conclusion follows from the chain rule.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the idea that the original curve may not be regular even if the reparameterized curve by arc length is regular.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the variable change in the proof. While there is agreement on the importance of the chain rule, the discussion remains unresolved regarding whether the variable change is essential for the proof's validity.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the proof's reliance on the chain rule and the properties of norms may introduce assumptions that are not explicitly stated, leading to potential misunderstandings about the necessity of variable changes.

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I'd like to have someone explain to me the purpose of the variable change in the proof of the following theorem:

A parametrized curve has a unit-speed reparametrization if and only if it is regular.

Proof: Suppose first that a parametrized curve γ: (a,b) → R^n has a unit-speed reparametrization μ, with reparametrization map φ. Letting t = φ(s) we have μ(s) = γ(t) and so

dμ/ds = (dγ/dt)(dt/ds)

Therefore, ||dμ/ds|| = ||dγ/dt|| ⋅ |dt/ds|

Since μ has unit speed, ||dμ/ds|| = 1, so dγ/dt cannot be zero.
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I don't see why it was necessary? Couldn't we have just concluded the exact same thing without the variable change? Another thing, I notice that they use absolute value for |dt/ds| this is because t = φ(s) is a single variable function right? So it's like a 'constant'? Was it just to make this more explicit? Because the norm properties don't have ||fg|| = ||f|| ||g||.

Thanks for the help!
 
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Buri said:
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I don't see why it was necessary? Couldn't we have just concluded the exact same thing without the variable change?

How would you make the conclusion without the chain rule?

Another thing, I notice that they use absolute value for |dt/ds| this is because t = φ(s) is a single variable function right? So it's like a 'constant'?

You are just taking the norm of a scalar time a vector.
 
lavinia said:
How would you make the conclusion without the chain rule?

I'm saying we're not supposed to use the Chain Rule. The Chain Rule is obviously necessary, but we could apply the chain rule without having to make such a variable change.


lavinia said:
You are just taking the norm of a scalar time a vector.

I know the norm property for this, but I don't see how dt/ds is a scalar? Could you explain?
 
When you say scalar, I suppose you mean that it is a function of one variable plus its a vector valued function - its a 1-tuple. So its norm just simply behaves as a normal absolute value.
 
Buri said:
When you say scalar, I suppose you mean that it is a function of one variable plus its a vector valued function - its a 1-tuple. So its norm just simply behaves as a normal absolute value.

right
 
Buri said:
When you say scalar, I suppose you mean that it is a function of one variable plus its a vector valued function - its a 1-tuple. So its norm just simply behaves as a normal absolute value.

If the curve is not regular then no reparameterization can regularize it. This follows from the chain rule. I suspect any other proof is equivalent.

If the curve is reparameterized by arc length then this reparameterized curve is regular. But the original curve may not be. To show that it is - use the chain rule.
 
lavinia said:
If the curve is not regular then no reparameterization can regularize it. This follows from the chain rule. I suspect any other proof is equivalent.

If the curve is reparameterized by arc length then this reparameterized curve is regular. But the original curve may not be. To show that it is - use the chain rule.

I don't think you understood my problem. I know you need to use the chain rule. But I don't see the purpose of the variable change in the proof since you can apply the chain rule without making the variable change. So my question was what was the purpose of it...
 
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Buri said:
I don't think you understood my problem. I know you need to use the chain rule. But I don't see the purpose of the variable change in the proof since you can apply the chain rule without making the variable change. So my question was what was the purpose of it...

How do you apply the Chain rule without the change of variables? Can you show me?
 

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