Is there a description of collapse in QFT ?

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The discussion centers on the concept of wave function collapse in quantum mechanics (QM) and its potential analog in quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore whether a description of collapse exists in QFT, what the implications of such a collapse would be, and how it relates to concepts like decoherence and relativistic invariance.

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  • One participant questions if there is an effective description of collapse in QFT, asking what exactly collapses and suggesting that it could be the field itself.
  • Another participant asserts that the collapse in quantum theories, including QFT, is a projection of the state vector onto an eigenstate, mentioning decoherence as a mechanism that explains the selection of a basis in the Hilbert space.
  • A different participant acknowledges knowledge of decoherence and proposes that in an idealized scenario where the density matrix is diagonal, the out state could be expressed in terms of field operators acting on the vacuum, suggesting this as a counterpart to the QM postulate.
  • This participant raises questions about the implications of relativistic invariance in QFT, specifically how collapse might occur across different reference frames and whether it happens simultaneously or outside the light-cone.
  • Another participant argues that QFT does not provide new insights into the concept of collapse, clarifying that the collapsing object is the quantum state rather than the field itself, and suggests that collapse should be viewed as an update of knowledge rather than an instantaneous event.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of collapse in QFT, with some proposing that the field collapses while others argue it is the quantum state that collapses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of relativistic invariance and the nature of collapse across reference frames.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding collapse, particularly regarding the idealized conditions under which density matrices are considered diagonal and the implications of decoherence in this context.

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In QM we have the postulate of measure giving rise to the notion of wave function collapse through measurement.

Is there an analog description of collapse in QFT (even an effective one) ? And what is then collapsing ? The field ? What would that mean ?

I'm interested for references on the subject.
 
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The postulate you're talking about applies to all quantum mechanical theories, including quantum field theories. A "collapse" is a projection of the state vector onto an eigenstate. The only mechanism I have heard of that offers some sort of explanation is decoherence. The idea is that interactions with the environment select a particular basis of the Hilbert space and make the density operator almost diagonal in that basis. Note that this isn't really a collapse. A collapse would be represented by a density matrix that's exactly diagonal.
 
Yes I know some things about decoherence.
In the idealized case where density matrix is diagonal (after infinite time in the decoherence theory if I'm not wrong), the out state could then be written in term of field operators acting on the vaccum. So can we say that the field is collapsing ? That seems a reasonable QFT counterpart of the QM postulate no ?
(Note I agree that decoherence brings a much more detailed description than hte idealized situation I consider).

Another particular point I had in head is the relativistic invariance which is a caracteristic of QFT compared to QM.
QM collapse simultaneously cancels the wave function for all eigenstates different than the effectively observed one. What about this in the context of QFT ?
For example, in the simple case of a field with one particle, one detects it at some position in the space.
Does the "collapse" occurs simultaneously ? in which reference frame ? how can it be consistent with change of reference frame ?
Or the "collapse" occurs everywhere outside the light-cone ?
Other ?
What says the decoherence about that ?
 
1. QFT has nothing new to say about the "mystery" called collapse.
2. The object that collapses in QFT is not the field, but the quantum state, i.e., a vector in the representation space of the field operator.
3. I think it is misleading to think about the collapse as an instantaneous physical event. It is better to think of it as an update of our knowledge about the physical system.
 

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